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dameatball

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25. An off branch of this: I think racism in cultures can be fluid. Let me explain and forgive my ramble
Thu Nov 1, 2018, 06:24 PM
Nov 2018

First of all I am not a sociologist and this is purely speculation. But I have formed some opinions from long times spent along the I-4 corridor in FL and also the mountains of NE TN and SW VA.
I agree that racism certainly does exist in adult populations at a high rate and is sometimes not even realized. I also have to look at what happens to young people in their formative years and who they seek to emulate. That leads me to wonder how that changes and when those changes begin to take place and become core values of a person..
Let's take upper age elementary through middle school and even high school. During these years I have seen many cross racial behaviors, especially among young whites. I currently live in a 97% Caucasian county in Appalachia. But the dress and behaviors here among many adolescents is very similar to what I observed in more urban settings. Music, dress, speech, societal views and so on. But that seems to be changing in my opinion. At some point many of those patterns diverge along cultural lines and I cannot explain why other than the previously fluid identities become more comfortable among certain groups. Whether this is based on parental/family history or individual self discovery I do not know. You could probably say similar things about gender identification.

This seems to me to have been a normal pattern in America for decades, until media amplification began to filter down into younger ages. It seems to me that the lines are being drawn at much earlier ages and the results are unfortunately somewhat permanent. My youngest memories included separate water fountains and KKK people passing out pamphlets on street corners in Central Florida. But once I was exposed to new ideas at a very major US university I changed completely. I also had the benefit of really good high school with people who were smarter than me. Some were conservative and some were not, but I learned to think for myself which has helped me throughout life.

Young people in the past few decades did not see what I saw. Their bubble is not the same in many cases.


Peer pressure is a very strong influence in building foundations of what our values are and will be. I believe that those foundations are now being forced upon young people earlier in life than they were in my formative years. Unfortunately they tend to stay. That goes a long way to explain why white nationalist movements among so-called well educated college students seems to be on the rise. Their core values have been firmed at an earlier age.

As I said, this is speculation on my part, so if you want to poke holes, no hard feelings. Just vote!

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I will counter your assertion, I am 65 old white guy and ALL my white friends are zero racists... beachbum bob Nov 2018 #1
I dunnno...fellow white dude, and while I'd agree that "all my friends" keep any racism to themself anarch Nov 2018 #2
91% sounds right to me...great post! Many within that 91% try very hard NOT to be Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #3
The OP and your post make me appreciate DU even more. brush Nov 2018 #51
I think that's a bit high, but I think it's still well over half Bradical79 Nov 2018 #4
Some very valid points better Nov 2018 #5
THIS is a GREAT point, never heard it like this before, thank you Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #8
My pleasure, and by all means, please feel free to spread without attribution. better Nov 2018 #9
You wil probably be more successful than I will, while i have the same goal and have talked about Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #11
For whatever it may be worth... better Nov 2018 #44
Thank you for this well said reply The Polack MSgt Nov 2018 #13
And thank you, MSgt, for your well-said OP! better Nov 2018 #15
Thank you. I will be stealing your closing paragraph The Polack MSgt Nov 2018 #16
Excellent points! BlueMTexpat Nov 2018 #41
Thank you The Polack MSgt Nov 2018 #48
Sincerely, thank you for that. better Nov 2018 #50
I would put it higher, myself. TygrBright Nov 2018 #6
I once said in this group The Polack MSgt Nov 2018 #14
One thing that might help that happen better Nov 2018 #17
Well said. N/t cate94 Nov 2018 #21
I'm a three score or so years old white woman... haele Nov 2018 #7
I'm going to back you up on this. But go a little further. violetpastille Nov 2018 #10
I'm really enjoying the intellectual tone of this discussion better Nov 2018 #12
I could have written this myself... Ferrets are Cool Nov 2018 #18
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As you show, the answer is always more complicated than the question. Sometimes it helps to get the ancianita Nov 2018 #20
K&R, bookmarked too. This is a great post. Thank you Sarge! yonder Nov 2018 #22
This presidency proves cate94 Nov 2018 #23
Thank you Msgt for holding up that mirror. alwaysinasnit Nov 2018 #24
An off branch of this: I think racism in cultures can be fluid. Let me explain and forgive my ramble dameatball Nov 2018 #25
I appreciate your reply The Polack MSgt Nov 2018 #30
Regretfully, I spent about twenty minutes. I hope it made sense.Thanks for your OP. dameatball Nov 2018 #32
I agree 100%. Eko Nov 2018 #26
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One thing Dump has done Eko Nov 2018 #33
You need to do what you believe is best. The Polack MSgt Nov 2018 #35
As much push-back as we tend to see over cutting trumper family members out of our lives better Nov 2018 #42
I would agree that it's at least 91% MaryMagdaline Nov 2018 #27
Thank you and I agree The Polack MSgt Nov 2018 #49
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Thoughtful and honest mcar Nov 2018 #31
I appreciate everyone's honest and respectful input. The Polack MSgt Nov 2018 #34
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Thanks for a most thoughtful and important OP RoadRunner Nov 2018 #39
Thank you RoadRunner. The Polack MSgt Nov 2018 #40
Some of us W guys, I dont like using the full word, risky to do so, are fully aware Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #53
It's a shame that we never got to serve together, Sarge MrScorpio Nov 2018 #45
We almost did on the ROK The Polack MSgt Nov 2018 #46
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I was raised in a racist family prudence54 Nov 2018 #54
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Thanks for this response - I understand that family dynamic The Polack MSgt Nov 2018 #56
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