Religion

Major Nikon

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13. You don't get to have it both ways

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:43 PM

Jan 2019

Either religion bears some of the responsibility for this epidemic of child rape or it doesn’t.

So far you’ve made it quite clear that it doesn’t. If you want to walk that shit back, be my guest. Somehow I think you won’t.

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Why making clergy mandatory reporters won't solve the Catholic abuse crisis [View all] guillaumeb Jan 2019 OP

Best to just keep sweeping it under the rug. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #1

Your solution? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #2

First the problem is an institution that Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #3

Agreed 100%. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #4

Sure. So what? Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #5

Not my point. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #6

You have no idea... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #9

A repeat. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #11

Nobody is saying otherwise Major Nikon Jan 2019 #15

It is a fact that institutions cover up for their members. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #20

Diversion Major Nikon Jan 2019 #45

Reality. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #47

I'm not saying your diversion isn't real Major Nikon Jan 2019 #61

Ignore reality at your peril. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #64

Yeah whatabout all those other child rapists? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #65

did you read the whole piece? niyad Jan 2019 #145

Yes Major Nikon Jan 2019 #146

Kinda fucked up to suggest religion has no role to play Major Nikon Jan 2019 #7

You missed the point. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #8

Your point is to deflect responsibility from those responsible Major Nikon Jan 2019 #10

Have fun with your straw. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #12

You don't get to have it both ways Major Nikon Jan 2019 #13

Every institution bears a responsibility for the behavior of its members. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #14

Sure Gil, kinda funny how you keep reminding us how it happens everywhere Major Nikon Jan 2019 #16

But you think actually holding them responsible is a bad idea Major Nikon Jan 2019 #17

Your responses tell me something. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #21

You mean like the "choir"? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #44

Not "people in this group". guillaumeb Jan 2019 #46

Didn't say "all" either Major Nikon Jan 2019 #58

#Whataboutism n/t trotsky Jan 2019 #68

So should I, as a teacher, be a mandatory reporter? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2019 #85

Are you not? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #96

We might never stop it. But mandatory reporter laws HELP. trotsky Jan 2019 #118

... trotsky Jan 2019 #75

WOW! suprised you went that far. Eko Jan 2019 #18

Why would my repeating a point that I have previously made surprise you? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #22

Whats the law? Eko Jan 2019 #24

And my first point? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #25

I dont recall seeing you make this point before. Eko Jan 2019 #26

But I have made it more than once. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #27

It might suprise you Eko Jan 2019 #28

It varies by state. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #30

Suprised? Eko Jan 2019 #32

I think it is horrible. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #35

I get that you think it might not solve anything Eko Jan 2019 #36

Why is it not a national level issue? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #38

That wasnt my question. Eko Jan 2019 #40

Will you not answer my question? Eko Jan 2019 #48

I did. We need one national standard. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #49

No you didnt at all. Eko Jan 2019 #51

No, there should be no exemption for clergy. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #53

Federal system limits what we can do nationally marylandblue Jan 2019 #52

True, but as I posted, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #54

I think that more states will add clergy to the list. marylandblue Jan 2019 #56

I hope you are correct. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #59

"many types of individuals are legally required to report it" trotsky Jan 2019 #69

You are incorrect. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #89

No, YOU'RE incorrect. And defending religious privilege over the ability to catch predators. trotsky Jan 2019 #95

Change the law. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #100

Weak, weak sauce from a weak, weak position. trotsky Jan 2019 #101

Change the law. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #102

I'd LOVE to change the law, but religious privilege won't let us. trotsky Jan 2019 #105

Utter nonsense. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #107

Why do you feel clergy can exclude some information from mandatory reporting laws, gil? trotsky Jan 2019 #108

I will not answer misframing. It is pointless. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #109

Pointless?? It's the TOPIC OF YOUR OP, gil. trotsky Jan 2019 #110

Well done. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #111

There is no mis-framing. I am asking you a simple question. trotsky Jan 2019 #112

Misframing. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #113

At least I reject religious privilege when it comes to mandatory reporting laws. trotsky Jan 2019 #114

Post an example. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #115

Oh don't you try that fucking weasely trick. trotsky Jan 2019 #116

It is a "trick" to ask that you substantiate your claims? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #121

Nope. trotsky Jan 2019 #123

Tricks and such can be tricky things. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #125

Answer the question, and dismiss my claim. trotsky Jan 2019 #126

Stop the tactics, and engage in actual dialogue. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #127

There is no tactic. I asked you a question. trotsky Jan 2019 #128

"Have you stopped beating your..." is also a question in form. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #131

Here again is my question for everyone to read, and come to their own conclusion: trotsky Jan 2019 #134

More diversion from your, so far, unsupported accusation. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #136

I win! trotsky Jan 2019 #137

Yes, you won. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #141

I sure did! trotsky Jan 2019 #143

Answer the question, and dismiss my claim. trotsky Jan 2019 #138

Answer the question, and dismiss my claim. trotsky Jan 2019 #139

Answer the question, and dismiss my claim. trotsky Jan 2019 #140

Answer the question, and dismiss my claim. trotsky Jan 2019 #142

Hey and this is a bonus item JUST FOR YOU. trotsky Jan 2019 #144

Sounds like he is suggesting lack of absolution is no deterrent Major Nikon Jan 2019 #19

What would be a deterrent? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #23

Prohibit priests from being alone with children Major Nikon Jan 2019 #37

And do that for every institution? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #39

Yeah, whatabout everywhere else? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #42

The larger question is how do we stop predation in every setting? eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #43

One size fits all is not going to work marylandblue Jan 2019 #55

Confession is one part of the message of Jesus. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #57

It's issue unique to Catholics since only they confess to priests marylandblue Jan 2019 #60

But either way, to confess with no intention of changing is meaningless. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #62

Who gives a shit about that, gil? trotsky Jan 2019 #71

Put down the straw. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #90

Again, NO STRAW. trotsky Jan 2019 #97

You should go back and read the OP Major Nikon Jan 2019 #63

His favorite defense about RCC abuse is whataboutism. trotsky Jan 2019 #70

Looks a bit like... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #76

Families present a whole different problem from institutions marylandblue Jan 2019 #66

The behavior is the same. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #88

They absolutely need to be mandatory reporters tulipsandroses Jan 2019 #29

Please read my #30 guillaumeb Jan 2019 #31

I went back and read it. I'm a psych nurse- therefore a mandated reporter tulipsandroses Jan 2019 #83

Agreed. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #94

Except you believe that information received in confessional should be exempted from reporting laws. trotsky Jan 2019 #130

"institutions will continue to cover up the crimes committed by members of the institutions." The Genealogist Jan 2019 #33

No, the point is not to excuse predation, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #34

Not making excuses is a good start Major Nikon Jan 2019 #41

And not engaging in logical fallacies is another. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #91

Yeah, whatabout those logical fallacies? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #92

Start a thread in GD if that's what you really want to discuss. trotsky Jan 2019 #72

confession isn't the only place where predators out themselves rurallib Jan 2019 #50

But it is the only place where an adult is forever exempted from having to report it... trotsky Jan 2019 #73

Fucking wow, g. trotsky Jan 2019 #67

Here's the thing, Guy: MineralMan Jan 2019 #74

That's exactly right. trotsky Jan 2019 #77

That's the whole idea of manadory reporting. MineralMan Jan 2019 #78

"Why would anyone not support such a thing?" trotsky Jan 2019 #79

Apparently so. That attitude appears to be backfiring MineralMan Jan 2019 #80

I suspect it is a battle they will eventually lose, but only in some countries. trotsky Jan 2019 #81

Yes. All that is left is for formerly faithful parishioners to move to MineralMan Jan 2019 #82

The OP he posted was written by a RCC priest Major Nikon Jan 2019 #84

Plus we should definitely talk about the universal problem of child abuse in the Religion group... trotsky Jan 2019 #87

A few observations zipplewrath Jan 2019 #86

I agree. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #98

Another article from the exact same RCC sponsored child rape apologist Major Nikon Jan 2019 #120

An excellent job of demonstrating your tactics. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #122

Yeah, my tactic is to call out child rape apologia when I see it Major Nikon Jan 2019 #124

Uh... MineralMan Jan 2019 #132

Ha zipplewrath Jan 2019 #133

Indeed there is. MineralMan Jan 2019 #135

Making murder illegal won't rid the world of murder... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #93

More straw man arguing. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #99

Cool story bruh. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #103

Very convincing. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #104

If you want the last word so badly, you can have it. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #106

Unquestionably worse than the time he sided with a MAGA loon over the Boston Atheists Major Nikon Jan 2019 #119

Oh yeah, a Trump loon getting booted from an atheist club shows atheistic intolerance. trotsky Jan 2019 #129

... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #117