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Major Nikon

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54. You'd be amazed at what you'll learn in this group

Sat May 4, 2019, 05:53 PM

May 2019

What I didn't know is that anything any religionist does that's bad is attributed to "human behavior", even when organized religion encourages and/or enables the behavior. However, anything any religionist does that's good is due to religion.

Kinda funny how that works, but there you have it.

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USCIRF report: China, two dozen other countries top religious freedom offenders list [View all] guillaumeb Apr 2019 OP

USCIRF: Led by Tony Perkins and Gary Bauer Major Nikon Apr 2019 #1

Refute what was written. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #2

China is afraid of religion for good reasons Bretton Garcia May 2019 #48

And.... guillaumeb Apr 2019 #3

WOW, he'll ally himself with the worst of the deplorables if they say what he wants to hear. trotsky Apr 2019 #9

Given the stated motivation is diversion, not all that surprising Major Nikon Apr 2019 #14

You seem confused. guillaumeb May 2019 #78

You're being repetitive in this thread. MineralMan May 2019 #79

You have the right to post that. guillaumeb May 2019 #83

#gaslighting trotsky May 2019 #80

Well, when you find a tool, you use it until it breaks or wears out. MineralMan May 2019 #81

You do understand that we all know that China doesn't treat MineralMan Apr 2019 #4

I understand why you do not like these posts about China. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #5

OK, then... MineralMan Apr 2019 #6

You seem confused. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #7

No, I'm not confused. MineralMan Apr 2019 #8

Such certaintly might be a symptom. eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #11

A symptom of what, exactly, guillaumeb? MineralMan May 2019 #22

Given your own frequent admonitions to others that they think, guillaumeb May 2019 #24

Alleging other people are "confused" is classic gaslighting behavior Major Nikon Apr 2019 #15

I'm sure he has convinced himself that I'm confused. MineralMan May 2019 #18

Yep, and the predicted defense of gaslighting is more gaslighting Major Nikon May 2019 #26

You are confused. guillaumeb May 2019 #25

No, he's using it correctly. trotsky May 2019 #28

You too, are incorrect. guillaumeb May 2019 #30

Since you can provide absolutely no evidence in favor of your opinion, trotsky May 2019 #32

When called out for gaslighting, the predictable response is more gaslighting Major Nikon May 2019 #36

And when some are called for incorrectly using the term, and they continue, guillaumeb May 2019 #42

The number of people here who are incorrect is exactly one Lordquinton May 2019 #34

Being incorrect is one thing Major Nikon May 2019 #44

No arguments were offered Lordquinton May 2019 #46

Par for the course Major Nikon May 2019 #51

It's really ignorant too Lordquinton May 2019 #60

Those mean atheists are picking on his (former?) religion Major Nikon May 2019 #62

As if there's a comparisson Lordquinton May 2019 #71

There's cover up and there's providing cover Major Nikon May 2019 #72

When I see an actual argument, guillaumeb May 2019 #93

It's addressed regularly Lordquinton May 2019 #94

No, it is ignored. guillaumeb May 2019 #95

And regarding diversion, and avoidance, this is a classic: guillaumeb May 2019 #96

"And in spite of your opinion, the Religion Group is not restricted to posts about abusive clergy." trotsky Apr 2019 #10

Such drama. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #12

And of course, you can't defend yourself, so you resort to whataboutism. trotsky May 2019 #17

Well, it is written that Jesus often chided people. MineralMan May 2019 #19

There's a Jesus for everybody. trotsky May 2019 #20

And for every occasion, apparently. MineralMan May 2019 #21

Metaphorical Jesus is my favorite Major Nikon May 2019 #37

So far you have avoided any commetn on the actual topic. guillaumeb May 2019 #23

China oppresses many people - theists and atheists. trotsky May 2019 #27

More ad hominem. guillaumeb May 2019 #29

Do you have anything to say on the subject? trotsky May 2019 #31

This is the Religion Group. guillaumeb May 2019 #33

Well then your view is wrong. trotsky May 2019 #40

More ad hominem. guillaumeb May 2019 #43

You bet your ass I'll point out your bad behavior. trotsky May 2019 #68

The motivation is clearly articulated Major Nikon May 2019 #38

Bingo. n/t trotsky May 2019 #41

Actually none of them Lordquinton May 2019 #35

Someone is trying very hard to claim they are being persecuted Major Nikon May 2019 #39

Never been so transparent Lordquinton May 2019 #45

China's mad at religion, partly since Christians made them buy opium Bretton Garcia May 2019 #47

It's a widespread phenomenon, that's for sure. Mariana Apr 2019 #13

Agreed. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #16

Or more, where many religions were fantastically abusive. Bretton Garcia May 2019 #49

Guil? Can we have an explicit acknowledgement from you here? Bretton Garcia May 2019 #50

Don't wait up Major Nikon May 2019 #52

Anyone want to post a picture of a chicken here too? Bretton Garcia May 2019 #53

You'd be amazed at what you'll learn in this group Major Nikon May 2019 #54

Highly selective memory and reasoning does the dirty work for them. Bretton Garcia May 2019 #55

As a system of ethics, religion generally sucks pretty hard Major Nikon May 2019 #57

Not only Britain but also partly Catholic France and Germany Bretton Garcia May 2019 #56

Yeah, they were somewhat less successful there compared to Africa and the Americas Major Nikon May 2019 #58

In China it was more recent too: till 1949. Bretton Garcia May 2019 #59

China isn't the US Major Nikon May 2019 #61

Basicly; China has faced bad assaults from Christian countries Bretton Garcia May 2019 #63

And then we have the United States, where European Christians MineralMan May 2019 #64

Good point Bretton Garcia May 2019 #65

The cultural genocide of indigenous peoples Voltaire2 May 2019 #66

I'm a culture specialist Bretton Garcia May 2019 #67

And that has nothing to do with the actual post. guillaumeb May 2019 #92

Religion often severely hurt indigenous people Bretton Garcia May 2019 #97

But, speaking of China, that decision that Islam is a problem guillaumeb May 2019 #101

Are there no significant Muslim terrorists or military alternative states? Bretton Garcia May 2019 #105

The context in northwest China is that Voltaire2 May 2019 #110

Directly connected to Afghanistan, Pakistan. Tajikistan Bretton Garcia May 2019 #112

China is suppressing every aspect of Islam. guillaumeb May 2019 #114

Nope. Outside of Xinjiang Islam is not Voltaire2 May 2019 #119

Incorrect. guillaumeb May 2019 #125

Well no that is simply false. Voltaire2 May 2019 #127

Several of your posts have equated Islam with violence. guillaumeb May 2019 #113

And some Islamic groups have been associated with violence. MineralMan May 2019 #116

It's typical. But some groups are more typically violent than others. Bretton Garcia May 2019 #118

Violence is a human behavior. guillaumeb May 2019 #123

And those "two dozen other countries"? Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #69

I don't think he knows much about those, so MineralMan May 2019 #70

I'm guessing the others aren't ATHEISTS!!!11111111!!! uriel1972 May 2019 #73

Guil, religions, censor or ignore contrary evidence Bretton Garcia May 2019 #76

Prior oppression excuses or validates current oppression? guillaumeb May 2019 #88

Continuing terrorist threats are often countered militarily Bretton Garcia May 2019 #98

Calling concentration camps re-education camps guillaumeb May 2019 #102

So no significant numbers of Muslims were dangerous Bretton Garcia May 2019 #106

Whataboutism, and continued blaiming of the victims for the oppression. guillaumeb May 2019 #115

Typical Gil Apologetics and Denial/blackouts Bretton Garcia May 2019 #117

Typical avoidance. guillaumeb May 2019 #124

There is no excusing what the Chinese government is doing. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #121

And the Tibetans as well? guillaumeb May 2019 #126

They allow religious freedom unless your Voltaire2 May 2019 #128

The exiled Tibetan head of state is a theocrat who has repeatedly called for independence. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #129

It's hard to get information from China itself. But? Bretton Garcia May 2019 #109

Thank you for that information. MineralMan May 2019 #111

Look Guill, uriel1972 May 2019 #74

American law restricts some religions implicitly though Bretton Garcia May 2019 #75

This sounds like a blatant toleration fro persecution. guillaumeb May 2019 #85

Muslim terrorism is not a fig leaf; Bretton Garcia May 2019 #99

Your posts indicate to me that you have not read what I posted about China. guillaumeb May 2019 #103

The article excerpt ? Bretton Garcia May 2019 #108

Well put, but he doesn't care. trotsky May 2019 #77

Classic whataboutism on your part. guillaumeb May 2019 #87

I wish you understood what that word really means. trotsky May 2019 #89

And who here says that abuse should be ignored? guillaumeb May 2019 #84

And those "two dozen other countries"? Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #82

We are talking about religious persecution. guillaumeb May 2019 #86

"the actual nature of the problem"? trotsky May 2019 #90

Yes, the actual nature of the problem. guillaumeb May 2019 #91

Bad conduct - often intensified especially by religion. Bretton Garcia May 2019 #100

China. guillaumeb May 2019 #104

Due to historical and present problems with Muslims Bretton Garcia May 2019 #107

David Brooks. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #120

Answer the question. n/t trotsky May 2019 #122