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Act_of_Reparation

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121. There is no excusing what the Chinese government is doing.

Mon May 13, 2019, 07:02 AM

May 2019

The point is your presentation of the situation—that this is a case of the Chinese government oppressing Muslims because they're theists—is demonstrably incorrect. They're oppressing Muslims because of the history of violent separatist movements in the region. End. Of. Story.

If the Chinese government was purely motivated by a philosophical objection to theism, they would have just banned religion thirty or forty years ago. And yet they didn't. Strange.

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USCIRF report: China, two dozen other countries top religious freedom offenders list [View all] guillaumeb Apr 2019 OP

USCIRF: Led by Tony Perkins and Gary Bauer Major Nikon Apr 2019 #1

Refute what was written. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #2

China is afraid of religion for good reasons Bretton Garcia May 2019 #48

And.... guillaumeb Apr 2019 #3

WOW, he'll ally himself with the worst of the deplorables if they say what he wants to hear. trotsky Apr 2019 #9

Given the stated motivation is diversion, not all that surprising Major Nikon Apr 2019 #14

You seem confused. guillaumeb May 2019 #78

You're being repetitive in this thread. MineralMan May 2019 #79

You have the right to post that. guillaumeb May 2019 #83

#gaslighting trotsky May 2019 #80

Well, when you find a tool, you use it until it breaks or wears out. MineralMan May 2019 #81

You do understand that we all know that China doesn't treat MineralMan Apr 2019 #4

I understand why you do not like these posts about China. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #5

OK, then... MineralMan Apr 2019 #6

You seem confused. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #7

No, I'm not confused. MineralMan Apr 2019 #8

Such certaintly might be a symptom. eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #11

A symptom of what, exactly, guillaumeb? MineralMan May 2019 #22

Given your own frequent admonitions to others that they think, guillaumeb May 2019 #24

Alleging other people are "confused" is classic gaslighting behavior Major Nikon Apr 2019 #15

I'm sure he has convinced himself that I'm confused. MineralMan May 2019 #18

Yep, and the predicted defense of gaslighting is more gaslighting Major Nikon May 2019 #26

You are confused. guillaumeb May 2019 #25

No, he's using it correctly. trotsky May 2019 #28

You too, are incorrect. guillaumeb May 2019 #30

Since you can provide absolutely no evidence in favor of your opinion, trotsky May 2019 #32

When called out for gaslighting, the predictable response is more gaslighting Major Nikon May 2019 #36

And when some are called for incorrectly using the term, and they continue, guillaumeb May 2019 #42

The number of people here who are incorrect is exactly one Lordquinton May 2019 #34

Being incorrect is one thing Major Nikon May 2019 #44

No arguments were offered Lordquinton May 2019 #46

Par for the course Major Nikon May 2019 #51

It's really ignorant too Lordquinton May 2019 #60

Those mean atheists are picking on his (former?) religion Major Nikon May 2019 #62

As if there's a comparisson Lordquinton May 2019 #71

There's cover up and there's providing cover Major Nikon May 2019 #72

When I see an actual argument, guillaumeb May 2019 #93

It's addressed regularly Lordquinton May 2019 #94

No, it is ignored. guillaumeb May 2019 #95

And regarding diversion, and avoidance, this is a classic: guillaumeb May 2019 #96

"And in spite of your opinion, the Religion Group is not restricted to posts about abusive clergy." trotsky Apr 2019 #10

Such drama. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #12

And of course, you can't defend yourself, so you resort to whataboutism. trotsky May 2019 #17

Well, it is written that Jesus often chided people. MineralMan May 2019 #19

There's a Jesus for everybody. trotsky May 2019 #20

And for every occasion, apparently. MineralMan May 2019 #21

Metaphorical Jesus is my favorite Major Nikon May 2019 #37

So far you have avoided any commetn on the actual topic. guillaumeb May 2019 #23

China oppresses many people - theists and atheists. trotsky May 2019 #27

More ad hominem. guillaumeb May 2019 #29

Do you have anything to say on the subject? trotsky May 2019 #31

This is the Religion Group. guillaumeb May 2019 #33

Well then your view is wrong. trotsky May 2019 #40

More ad hominem. guillaumeb May 2019 #43

You bet your ass I'll point out your bad behavior. trotsky May 2019 #68

The motivation is clearly articulated Major Nikon May 2019 #38

Bingo. n/t trotsky May 2019 #41

Actually none of them Lordquinton May 2019 #35

Someone is trying very hard to claim they are being persecuted Major Nikon May 2019 #39

Never been so transparent Lordquinton May 2019 #45

China's mad at religion, partly since Christians made them buy opium Bretton Garcia May 2019 #47

It's a widespread phenomenon, that's for sure. Mariana Apr 2019 #13

Agreed. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #16

Or more, where many religions were fantastically abusive. Bretton Garcia May 2019 #49

Guil? Can we have an explicit acknowledgement from you here? Bretton Garcia May 2019 #50

Don't wait up Major Nikon May 2019 #52

Anyone want to post a picture of a chicken here too? Bretton Garcia May 2019 #53

You'd be amazed at what you'll learn in this group Major Nikon May 2019 #54

Highly selective memory and reasoning does the dirty work for them. Bretton Garcia May 2019 #55

As a system of ethics, religion generally sucks pretty hard Major Nikon May 2019 #57

Not only Britain but also partly Catholic France and Germany Bretton Garcia May 2019 #56

Yeah, they were somewhat less successful there compared to Africa and the Americas Major Nikon May 2019 #58

In China it was more recent too: till 1949. Bretton Garcia May 2019 #59

China isn't the US Major Nikon May 2019 #61

Basicly; China has faced bad assaults from Christian countries Bretton Garcia May 2019 #63

And then we have the United States, where European Christians MineralMan May 2019 #64

Good point Bretton Garcia May 2019 #65

The cultural genocide of indigenous peoples Voltaire2 May 2019 #66

I'm a culture specialist Bretton Garcia May 2019 #67

And that has nothing to do with the actual post. guillaumeb May 2019 #92

Religion often severely hurt indigenous people Bretton Garcia May 2019 #97

But, speaking of China, that decision that Islam is a problem guillaumeb May 2019 #101

Are there no significant Muslim terrorists or military alternative states? Bretton Garcia May 2019 #105

The context in northwest China is that Voltaire2 May 2019 #110

Directly connected to Afghanistan, Pakistan. Tajikistan Bretton Garcia May 2019 #112

China is suppressing every aspect of Islam. guillaumeb May 2019 #114

Nope. Outside of Xinjiang Islam is not Voltaire2 May 2019 #119

Incorrect. guillaumeb May 2019 #125

Well no that is simply false. Voltaire2 May 2019 #127

Several of your posts have equated Islam with violence. guillaumeb May 2019 #113

And some Islamic groups have been associated with violence. MineralMan May 2019 #116

It's typical. But some groups are more typically violent than others. Bretton Garcia May 2019 #118

Violence is a human behavior. guillaumeb May 2019 #123

And those "two dozen other countries"? Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #69

I don't think he knows much about those, so MineralMan May 2019 #70

I'm guessing the others aren't ATHEISTS!!!11111111!!! uriel1972 May 2019 #73

Guil, religions, censor or ignore contrary evidence Bretton Garcia May 2019 #76

Prior oppression excuses or validates current oppression? guillaumeb May 2019 #88

Continuing terrorist threats are often countered militarily Bretton Garcia May 2019 #98

Calling concentration camps re-education camps guillaumeb May 2019 #102

So no significant numbers of Muslims were dangerous Bretton Garcia May 2019 #106

Whataboutism, and continued blaiming of the victims for the oppression. guillaumeb May 2019 #115

Typical Gil Apologetics and Denial/blackouts Bretton Garcia May 2019 #117

Typical avoidance. guillaumeb May 2019 #124

There is no excusing what the Chinese government is doing. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #121

And the Tibetans as well? guillaumeb May 2019 #126

They allow religious freedom unless your Voltaire2 May 2019 #128

The exiled Tibetan head of state is a theocrat who has repeatedly called for independence. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #129

It's hard to get information from China itself. But? Bretton Garcia May 2019 #109

Thank you for that information. MineralMan May 2019 #111

Look Guill, uriel1972 May 2019 #74

American law restricts some religions implicitly though Bretton Garcia May 2019 #75

This sounds like a blatant toleration fro persecution. guillaumeb May 2019 #85

Muslim terrorism is not a fig leaf; Bretton Garcia May 2019 #99

Your posts indicate to me that you have not read what I posted about China. guillaumeb May 2019 #103

The article excerpt ? Bretton Garcia May 2019 #108

Well put, but he doesn't care. trotsky May 2019 #77

Classic whataboutism on your part. guillaumeb May 2019 #87

I wish you understood what that word really means. trotsky May 2019 #89

And who here says that abuse should be ignored? guillaumeb May 2019 #84

And those "two dozen other countries"? Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #82

We are talking about religious persecution. guillaumeb May 2019 #86

"the actual nature of the problem"? trotsky May 2019 #90

Yes, the actual nature of the problem. guillaumeb May 2019 #91

Bad conduct - often intensified especially by religion. Bretton Garcia May 2019 #100

China. guillaumeb May 2019 #104

Due to historical and present problems with Muslims Bretton Garcia May 2019 #107

David Brooks. Act_of_Reparation May 2019 #120

Answer the question. n/t trotsky May 2019 #122