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Binkie The Clown

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37. The Bible was written by people who had no idea where the sun went when it sat.

Thu Mar 29, 2018, 10:50 AM

Mar 2018

I'm sorry, but I don't consider the ramblings of bronze age goat herders to be in any way authoritative.

"Because the Bible says so" has exactly the same value as "Because the Buddha said", or "Because the Bhagavad Gita says so." In other words, no value whatsoever.

Anything you say about your god, I can say about Shiva, or Vishnu, or Odin, or Thor. All I have to do is point to a different book for my "proof". What makes your book better than mine? Nothing. You may consider belief in Yamo-no-Kami, the Japanese Shinto mountain goddess, to be ridiculous, but in exactly what way is it any more ridiculous than your own favorite deity?

You believe in what you were raised to believe. If you had been born of Shinto parents you'd probably be kneeling at the shrine of Yamo-no-Kami. If you'd been born in ancient Greece, you'd have been a good and faithful worshiper of Zeus. Your deity of choice is an accident of birth and nothing more.

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Where is the Creator? [View all] guillaumeb Mar 2018 OP

You really ought to seek help for your hallucinations. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #1

This is a safe haven and protected group. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #43

Ahhh, but guillaumeb's post was clearly one PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #61

DU Terms of Service yallerdawg Mar 2018 #62

No, you found humility. Comatose Sphagetti Mar 2018 #2

I am still looking for that. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #4

I look for the Creator in people and every time I have gone to church demigoddess Mar 2018 #3

I look for the Creator in creation, guillaumeb Mar 2018 #6

It is lovely that your faith is grounded in love and compassion. AJT Mar 2018 #5

Perhaps you can find it again. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #7

What did it look like? Eko Mar 2018 #8

I feel that the Creator is reflected in the creation. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #10

I figured since you found him you could let us know Eko Mar 2018 #13

No, you must find the Creator for yourself. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #19

Didnt you say this? Eko Mar 2018 #22

Trust me, he's delusional. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #26

Seems that way. Eko Mar 2018 #33

You missed the point of the post. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #46

You mean the point Eko Mar 2018 #51

What are you looking for? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #53

That question Eko Mar 2018 #57

My faith tells me that I found the path. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #59

Your faith. Eko Mar 2018 #60

Looking for proof is to misunderstand faith. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #63

You asked me where I looked and how I looked. Eko Mar 2018 #64

I understand. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #65

So I should believe something Eko Mar 2018 #66

Is everything that you believe provable? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #67

Yup, to a reasonable degree. Eko Mar 2018 #68

Do you believe in love? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #69

Wow, you got me. Eko Mar 2018 #70

What is love? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #72

Love is an emotion that humans, Eko Mar 2018 #73

How does love differ from self-interest? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #74

Because there are people all across the world Eko Mar 2018 #75

Love and self-interest are inseparable. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #78

Of course it is, Eko Mar 2018 #80

When one loves so much that one gives up one's life, is that self-interest? Doodley Mar 2018 #87

It could be group interest. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #89

Group interest is not the same thing as self interest. Eko Mar 2018 #100

It is related. The self is part of a larger group. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #128

Group does not in any way equal self. Eko Mar 2018 #129

A group cannot exist without more than one self. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #130

But a self can exist without a group. Eko Mar 2018 #132

A self can exist for a time, guillaumeb Mar 2018 #133

A group can exist for only a time also. Eko Mar 2018 #134

The fact that I have to explain the difference Eko Mar 2018 #131

There can be multiple emotions also, Eko Mar 2018 #77

Indeed. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #81

Emotions are a feeling that humans experience. Eko Mar 2018 #84

And people believe that love exists. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #86

We have gone over this, Eko Mar 2018 #92

Reactions to stimuli and situations are observable. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #93

No, it is. Eko Mar 2018 #98

You assume a lot. How do you know that you aren't the only one who feels emotions, and everyone Doodley Mar 2018 #116

Yes, billions of people throughout history are lying. Eko Mar 2018 #123

What proof do you personally have for most of what you believe? I would hazard at a guess that Doodley Mar 2018 #83

Well said. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #90

If you could be specific I could answer your question. Eko Mar 2018 #96

Science is your proof? Have you personally conducted the scientific experiments and taken the Doodley Mar 2018 #102

Yes, Eko Mar 2018 #103

Is that the extent of your personal scientific experiments and observations that form your belief Doodley Mar 2018 #109

Be specific and I can answer. Eko Mar 2018 #110

I checked the speed of light this way Eko Mar 2018 #113

For heating I turned on my propane heater. Eko Mar 2018 #105

Turning on a heater isn't a scientific experiment, is it? How was propane formed? Do you know? Doodley Mar 2018 #111

Of course it is, Eko Mar 2018 #115

Just so I know where to start Eko Mar 2018 #118

Start by explaining quantum mechanics and how you know all about it without taking a leap of Doodley Mar 2018 #119

How about I start with propane and Eko Mar 2018 #122

Propane. Eko Mar 2018 #124

Propane Eko Mar 2018 #125

Propane. Eko Mar 2018 #126

Okay, start with propane. Can you explain how propane is formed and how you know it is formed Doodley Mar 2018 #136

This is how propane is formed. Eko Mar 2018 #137

You use Wikipedia, an online source that can be edited by anyone, to show your Doodley Apr 2018 #138

Ok. Eko Apr 2018 #139

And. Eko Apr 2018 #140

And from the US Government. Eko Apr 2018 #141

Have you kept up so far or do I need to backtrack some and explain basic chemistry to you? Eko Mar 2018 #127

Sure thing. Eko Mar 2018 #71

To use your Easter Bunny analogy, when you see it, you will know you have found it. Doodley Mar 2018 #104

Do you often see the easter bunny? Eko Mar 2018 #106

I usually only see it at Easter. Doodley Mar 2018 #112

Who makes that do you suppose? Eko Mar 2018 #114

Why assume it has a maker? Maybe it has always been. Doodley Mar 2018 #117

Do you have some record of the chocolate easter bunny that predates Eko Mar 2018 #120

Some of us cannot see things that others can. Take those magic eye pictures. If one man Doodley Mar 2018 #85

I see you sending me $100. Eko Mar 2018 #88

This should be in the humor section. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #91

I'm being serious. Eko Mar 2018 #94

Let me know if it works. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #95

It hasnt so far. Eko Mar 2018 #97

Can you give an example that isn't flippant or sarcasm? Doodley Mar 2018 #101

An example of what? Eko Mar 2018 #107

Oh you mean of a autostereogram? Eko Mar 2018 #108

And this,,,, Eko Mar 2018 #23

Question by George Carlin..in all seriousness "If God is All Powerful can he himself create a rock c-rational Mar 2018 #9

Would you care to elaborate on this? eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #11

The philosophy of Adwaita- The truth is one not dual...I do not believe you can find the Creator c-rational Mar 2018 #12

The American Friends say that each person has a spark of the Creator. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #16

Notice you start with assuming a Creator. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #27

creators seems to love fear based exclusionary human created religions nt msongs Mar 2018 #14

Alternatively, guillaumeb Mar 2018 #17

Science cannot explain the origin of the universe without a creator standingtall Mar 2018 #15

There is some hostility, guillaumeb Mar 2018 #18

Even if, at the end of space, there was found a creator LakeArenal Mar 2018 #20

I have never seen a computer program that did not have a creator standingtall Mar 2018 #21

Well the creator of the program was a scientist or tech. LakeArenal Mar 2018 #25

The existence of a creator does not mean science is not useful standingtall Mar 2018 #36

You and I surely dont agree. LakeArenal Mar 2018 #41

Then how did something so perfect and divine happen without a creator? So... Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #31

God always existed he was not created and that should be the standard Sunday school answer standingtall Mar 2018 #35

The Bible was written by people who had no idea where the sun went when it sat. Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #37

Dont pretend like you no the motivations of my belief neither of my parents were religous standingtall Mar 2018 #38

Sorry. I'll stay out of your bubble then. Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #39

I did not want to get into citiatons because that would likely become a never ending circle standingtall Mar 2018 #40

Uhhhh, science does not worry about explaining the origin of the universe. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #29

Guillaume, sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #24

Exactly. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #50

Yes, they do. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #58

Throughout all lands, air, seas and the cosmos. democratisphere Mar 2018 #28

I found the creator reading "The Blind Watchermaker" by Dawkins. nt Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #30

Thanks for the posting. TomSlick Mar 2018 #32

Your response is the most flaming. LakeArenal Mar 2018 #34

I am constantly amazed at the posts on DU, TomSlick Mar 2018 #42

huh? LakeArenal Mar 2018 #44

Please see, TomSlick Mar 2018 #45

Well, except for those particular points. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #47

Im happy you are so. LakeArenal Mar 2018 #48

I have no issue with you being here. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #49

Very well put. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #82

The creator, or creation, is not to be found in the sky, the creator is found within yourself. Jack-o-Lantern Mar 2018 #52

The Creator is found in the creation. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #54

I dont know why atheists cant accept the beliefs of agnostics or people of faith. Jack-o-Lantern Mar 2018 #55

I think that most actually do. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #56

By the same token, I don't know why the Christian Right help elect Trump. Atheists aren't anymore Doodley Mar 2018 #99

There are many who attach themselves to a community or a movement that simply standingtall Mar 2018 #135

In the start of atoms is my best guess. And in the start of the space in between. applegrove Mar 2018 #76

I would add: in every part of the creation. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #79

Creator is still working reluctantly in Sirius black's house, I believe unblock Mar 2018 #121