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guillaumeb

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65. I understand.

Fri Mar 30, 2018, 07:32 PM

Mar 2018

But faith is a belief without proof.

Some believe that there are no gods, also without proof, because the matter is unprovable.

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Where is the Creator? [View all] guillaumeb Mar 2018 OP

You really ought to seek help for your hallucinations. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #1

This is a safe haven and protected group. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #43

Ahhh, but guillaumeb's post was clearly one PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #61

DU Terms of Service yallerdawg Mar 2018 #62

No, you found humility. Comatose Sphagetti Mar 2018 #2

I am still looking for that. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #4

I look for the Creator in people and every time I have gone to church demigoddess Mar 2018 #3

I look for the Creator in creation, guillaumeb Mar 2018 #6

It is lovely that your faith is grounded in love and compassion. AJT Mar 2018 #5

Perhaps you can find it again. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #7

What did it look like? Eko Mar 2018 #8

I feel that the Creator is reflected in the creation. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #10

I figured since you found him you could let us know Eko Mar 2018 #13

No, you must find the Creator for yourself. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #19

Didnt you say this? Eko Mar 2018 #22

Trust me, he's delusional. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #26

Seems that way. Eko Mar 2018 #33

You missed the point of the post. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #46

You mean the point Eko Mar 2018 #51

What are you looking for? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #53

That question Eko Mar 2018 #57

My faith tells me that I found the path. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #59

Your faith. Eko Mar 2018 #60

Looking for proof is to misunderstand faith. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #63

You asked me where I looked and how I looked. Eko Mar 2018 #64

I understand. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #65

So I should believe something Eko Mar 2018 #66

Is everything that you believe provable? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #67

Yup, to a reasonable degree. Eko Mar 2018 #68

Do you believe in love? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #69

Wow, you got me. Eko Mar 2018 #70

What is love? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #72

Love is an emotion that humans, Eko Mar 2018 #73

How does love differ from self-interest? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #74

Because there are people all across the world Eko Mar 2018 #75

Love and self-interest are inseparable. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #78

Of course it is, Eko Mar 2018 #80

When one loves so much that one gives up one's life, is that self-interest? Doodley Mar 2018 #87

It could be group interest. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #89

Group interest is not the same thing as self interest. Eko Mar 2018 #100

It is related. The self is part of a larger group. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #128

Group does not in any way equal self. Eko Mar 2018 #129

A group cannot exist without more than one self. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #130

But a self can exist without a group. Eko Mar 2018 #132

A self can exist for a time, guillaumeb Mar 2018 #133

A group can exist for only a time also. Eko Mar 2018 #134

The fact that I have to explain the difference Eko Mar 2018 #131

There can be multiple emotions also, Eko Mar 2018 #77

Indeed. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #81

Emotions are a feeling that humans experience. Eko Mar 2018 #84

And people believe that love exists. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #86

We have gone over this, Eko Mar 2018 #92

Reactions to stimuli and situations are observable. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #93

No, it is. Eko Mar 2018 #98

You assume a lot. How do you know that you aren't the only one who feels emotions, and everyone Doodley Mar 2018 #116

Yes, billions of people throughout history are lying. Eko Mar 2018 #123

What proof do you personally have for most of what you believe? I would hazard at a guess that Doodley Mar 2018 #83

Well said. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #90

If you could be specific I could answer your question. Eko Mar 2018 #96

Science is your proof? Have you personally conducted the scientific experiments and taken the Doodley Mar 2018 #102

Yes, Eko Mar 2018 #103

Is that the extent of your personal scientific experiments and observations that form your belief Doodley Mar 2018 #109

Be specific and I can answer. Eko Mar 2018 #110

I checked the speed of light this way Eko Mar 2018 #113

For heating I turned on my propane heater. Eko Mar 2018 #105

Turning on a heater isn't a scientific experiment, is it? How was propane formed? Do you know? Doodley Mar 2018 #111

Of course it is, Eko Mar 2018 #115

Just so I know where to start Eko Mar 2018 #118

Start by explaining quantum mechanics and how you know all about it without taking a leap of Doodley Mar 2018 #119

How about I start with propane and Eko Mar 2018 #122

Propane. Eko Mar 2018 #124

Propane Eko Mar 2018 #125

Propane. Eko Mar 2018 #126

Okay, start with propane. Can you explain how propane is formed and how you know it is formed Doodley Mar 2018 #136

This is how propane is formed. Eko Mar 2018 #137

You use Wikipedia, an online source that can be edited by anyone, to show your Doodley Apr 2018 #138

Ok. Eko Apr 2018 #139

And. Eko Apr 2018 #140

And from the US Government. Eko Apr 2018 #141

Have you kept up so far or do I need to backtrack some and explain basic chemistry to you? Eko Mar 2018 #127

Sure thing. Eko Mar 2018 #71

To use your Easter Bunny analogy, when you see it, you will know you have found it. Doodley Mar 2018 #104

Do you often see the easter bunny? Eko Mar 2018 #106

I usually only see it at Easter. Doodley Mar 2018 #112

Who makes that do you suppose? Eko Mar 2018 #114

Why assume it has a maker? Maybe it has always been. Doodley Mar 2018 #117

Do you have some record of the chocolate easter bunny that predates Eko Mar 2018 #120

Some of us cannot see things that others can. Take those magic eye pictures. If one man Doodley Mar 2018 #85

I see you sending me $100. Eko Mar 2018 #88

This should be in the humor section. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #91

I'm being serious. Eko Mar 2018 #94

Let me know if it works. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #95

It hasnt so far. Eko Mar 2018 #97

Can you give an example that isn't flippant or sarcasm? Doodley Mar 2018 #101

An example of what? Eko Mar 2018 #107

Oh you mean of a autostereogram? Eko Mar 2018 #108

And this,,,, Eko Mar 2018 #23

Question by George Carlin..in all seriousness "If God is All Powerful can he himself create a rock c-rational Mar 2018 #9

Would you care to elaborate on this? eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #11

The philosophy of Adwaita- The truth is one not dual...I do not believe you can find the Creator c-rational Mar 2018 #12

The American Friends say that each person has a spark of the Creator. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #16

Notice you start with assuming a Creator. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #27

creators seems to love fear based exclusionary human created religions nt msongs Mar 2018 #14

Alternatively, guillaumeb Mar 2018 #17

Science cannot explain the origin of the universe without a creator standingtall Mar 2018 #15

There is some hostility, guillaumeb Mar 2018 #18

Even if, at the end of space, there was found a creator LakeArenal Mar 2018 #20

I have never seen a computer program that did not have a creator standingtall Mar 2018 #21

Well the creator of the program was a scientist or tech. LakeArenal Mar 2018 #25

The existence of a creator does not mean science is not useful standingtall Mar 2018 #36

You and I surely dont agree. LakeArenal Mar 2018 #41

Then how did something so perfect and divine happen without a creator? So... Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #31

God always existed he was not created and that should be the standard Sunday school answer standingtall Mar 2018 #35

The Bible was written by people who had no idea where the sun went when it sat. Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #37

Dont pretend like you no the motivations of my belief neither of my parents were religous standingtall Mar 2018 #38

Sorry. I'll stay out of your bubble then. Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #39

I did not want to get into citiatons because that would likely become a never ending circle standingtall Mar 2018 #40

Uhhhh, science does not worry about explaining the origin of the universe. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #29

Guillaume, sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #24

Exactly. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #50

Yes, they do. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #58

Throughout all lands, air, seas and the cosmos. democratisphere Mar 2018 #28

I found the creator reading "The Blind Watchermaker" by Dawkins. nt Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #30

Thanks for the posting. TomSlick Mar 2018 #32

Your response is the most flaming. LakeArenal Mar 2018 #34

I am constantly amazed at the posts on DU, TomSlick Mar 2018 #42

huh? LakeArenal Mar 2018 #44

Please see, TomSlick Mar 2018 #45

Well, except for those particular points. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #47

Im happy you are so. LakeArenal Mar 2018 #48

I have no issue with you being here. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #49

Very well put. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #82

The creator, or creation, is not to be found in the sky, the creator is found within yourself. Jack-o-Lantern Mar 2018 #52

The Creator is found in the creation. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #54

I dont know why atheists cant accept the beliefs of agnostics or people of faith. Jack-o-Lantern Mar 2018 #55

I think that most actually do. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #56

By the same token, I don't know why the Christian Right help elect Trump. Atheists aren't anymore Doodley Mar 2018 #99

There are many who attach themselves to a community or a movement that simply standingtall Mar 2018 #135

In the start of atoms is my best guess. And in the start of the space in between. applegrove Mar 2018 #76

I would add: in every part of the creation. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #79

Creator is still working reluctantly in Sirius black's house, I believe unblock Mar 2018 #121