Skepticism, Science & Pseudoscience

kristopher

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16. Try going to primary sources then.

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 01:46 AM

Dec 2011

I wouldn't go so far as to say FDR was aware of the specific time and target that the Japanese had selected, but he did engage in both a systematic campaign of antagonistic behavior against the Japanese and a public relations campaign designed to place the aggression of Japan in China into the public limelight.

Considering the fact that colonialism was still being practiced in the region by several European nations, to say that the rational for his actions was hypocritical is understating the situation pretty strongly.

Most scholars think he was goading the Japanese to make a move on the Dutch held oil fields in SE Asia and would have used that as an excuse to escalate the conflict to war. He was desperate to help Churchill and the people wanted nothing to do with it.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] TZ Dec 2011 OP

They've been around a very long time RZM Dec 2011 #1

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So that DavidSwanson guy has a reputation here? I think there's.. MarkCharles Dec 2011 #3

Not only that. Some people - doctors even - reject germ theory; heliocentrism too dmallind Dec 2011 #4

Well see I always thought the internet was making this stuff worse TZ Dec 2011 #5

Oh yes. This has been going on for a while LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #6

Try going to primary sources then. kristopher Dec 2011 #16

He WAS NOT desperate to go to Europe TZ Dec 2011 #18

Just claiming something is woo isn't "skepticism" kristopher Dec 2011 #19

Ummm TZ Dec 2011 #20

IIRC, there was a member MicaelS Dec 2011 #7

Yes, and they'll be mumbling it into their pureed veg at the old folks' home Warpy Dec 2011 #8

A Pearl Harbor truther!? Boston_Chemist Dec 2011 #9

I thought the argument was that... Odin2005 Dec 2011 #10

They had been in China for 10 years by then. kristopher Dec 2011 #14

Japan needed natural resources, MicaelS Jan 2012 #24

No argument about the cupability or the motives of the Japanese kristopher Jan 2012 #25

the site your linking to a hate site maddezmom Jan 2012 #32

I was unaware of this.. MicaelS Jan 2012 #33

thank you for editing maddezmom Jan 2012 #34

I heard about the "FDR Knew" theories a good 40 years ago in high school history class - LibertyLover Dec 2011 #11

'Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?' LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #12

The Japanese and the Germans were allies. kristopher Dec 2011 #15

Completely wrong. onager Dec 2011 #21

Have you made a detailed study of the history of this era? kristopher Dec 2011 #13

Umm the person who told me TZ Dec 2011 #17

everyone knows that those Zeros were holograms Anarcho-Socialist Jan 2012 #22

Nothing more than a right-wing smear used against FDR PVnRT Jan 2012 #23

Whether he knew the specifics of Pearl Harbor or not, there is little doubt he planned to go to war. rug Jan 2012 #26

I wish the FDR race camps were just a conspiracy theory. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #27

Japanese-Americans could have had it worse... MicaelS Jan 2012 #28

Your post reads like it is defending the FDR race camps. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #29

No, I'm no defendng them.. MicaelS Jan 2012 #30

I am glad the misunderstanding is on my end. ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #31

Germans in the U.S. were interned in both WWI and WWII onager Jan 2012 #35

The UK certainly interned 'enemy aliens' LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #37

"FDR knew" should be added to the TOS... onager Jan 2012 #36

Actually, I think that counts as a TOS violation. laconicsax Jan 2012 #38

I had a question for you from the meta-discussion thread. kristopher Jan 2012 #40

I addressed your post on the Tripartite Pact elsewhere - in the help & meta-discussion forum kristopher Jan 2012 #39