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In reply to the discussion: Why not more discussion of Greg Palast's compelling case that GOP stole 2016 election? [View all]think
(11,641 posts)58. Assemblywoman Barbara Lifton, D-Ithaca made the statement. Are you saying her figures are wrong?
the New York Board of Elections had pared their list to only 30,000 possible purges, an expected number for a state of about 20 million people and a state from which new entrants to the country move to other states with greater-than-normal frequency. This number is a far cry from the 400,000 sent back from Crosscheck.
And I'm not sure what "BS" you claim I am peddling. I want the Cross Check list to be made public and an investigation to be done because it appears to be a flawed system.
Was Obama wrong in claiming people were being purged? A judge reinstated the rights of 4,000 voters who weren't suppose to be purged 2 days after Obama spoke. These purges were done using the Cross Check data base. That'a a lot of people purged, Luckily the judge demanded they get put back on the roles.
I've posted numerous articles about the concerns dealing with the Cross Check data base and the potential for errors. I like Palast and many others believe that the Cross Check list needs to be made public to see if people were left off the voting roles.
Perhaps you don't consider the purging of voters as election fraud but I and many others do? Is this fraud illegal? No because it can't be proved with intent. Purging voters is perfectly legal as long as one can claim the errors are made by mistake. That doesn't make it any less wrong and egregious.
But there is another database called ERIC and that database is much more accurate and this is very well known.
NC joined controversial voter cross-check program as other states were leaving
But the Miami Herald's Naked Politics blog notes that Florida has dropped out of the program, and the last voter information the state sent to Crosscheck was from 2012. When asked about why Florida left Crosscheck, a spokeswoman from Detzner's office replied:
The Department of State and Supervisors of Elections currently work with elections officials in other states to update registrations regarding residency, and we are always exploring options to improve the elections process.
According to the Naked Politics blog, Oregon also abandoned Kobach's Interstate Crosscheck. Tony Green, spokesman for Oregon's secretary of state, gave this explanation:
We left because the data we received was unreliable and we felt joining the ERIC project would better meet our needs.
ERIC stands for the Electronic Registration Information Center, a project started by the Pew Charitable Trusts that now includes nine states (Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Virginia and Washington) and Washington, D.C...
Read more:
https://www.facingsouth.org/2014/04/nc-joined-controversial-voter-cross-check-program-.html
But the Miami Herald's Naked Politics blog notes that Florida has dropped out of the program, and the last voter information the state sent to Crosscheck was from 2012. When asked about why Florida left Crosscheck, a spokeswoman from Detzner's office replied:
The Department of State and Supervisors of Elections currently work with elections officials in other states to update registrations regarding residency, and we are always exploring options to improve the elections process.
According to the Naked Politics blog, Oregon also abandoned Kobach's Interstate Crosscheck. Tony Green, spokesman for Oregon's secretary of state, gave this explanation:
We left because the data we received was unreliable and we felt joining the ERIC project would better meet our needs.
ERIC stands for the Electronic Registration Information Center, a project started by the Pew Charitable Trusts that now includes nine states (Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Virginia and Washington) and Washington, D.C...
Read more:
https://www.facingsouth.org/2014/04/nc-joined-controversial-voter-cross-check-program-.html
In the mean time other notable people are getting behind Palast's call to make the Cross Check list public:
A PETITION TO RELEASE THE NAMES OF VOTERS ON THE INTERSTATE CROSSCHECK PURGE LIST
To: Office of the Attorney General, Loretta E. Lynch
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001
In his new Rolling Stone investigation Greg Palast has revealed that a program to prevent alleged voter fraud, Interstate Crosscheck, has wrongly tagged voters listing them as registering in two states or voting in two states, a felony crime. The suspect list of potential criminals contains an astonishing SEVEN MILLION NAMESnaming ONE IN SEVEN voters of color in the Crosscheck states.
While partisan officials have kept the list confidential, Rolling Stone investigative reporter Greg Palast obtained over one million of the accused.
The ONLY evidence you have voted or registered in two states is that you share a first name and last name with another voter. A typical example: Maria ISABEL Hernandez of Virginia is supposedly the same voter as Maria CRISTINA Hernandez of Louisiana.
Tens of thousands of voters have already been purged in a single state. As many as one million may lose their right to vote by this November.
Experts have stated the Crosscheck system, directed for 30 states by the highly partisan Secretary of State of Kansas, is dangerously biased against minorities. As the great civil rights leader Rev. Joseph Lowery said of Crosscheck, This is Jim Crow all over again.
From:
We, the undersigned. The American public demand an investigation of Crosschecks racially-biased purge operation and the release of the entire list of the seven million Americans suspected of voting or registering in two states..
Upon reaching 50,000 co-signers our team at the Palast Investigative Fund will hand deliver the names to your office and demand that your Civil Rights division do a full investigation into the Interstate Crosscheck program.
Signed,
Congressman Alcee Hastings, Congressional Black Caucus
Hon. Keith Ellison, US Congressman
Martin Luther King III
Santiago Juarez, AMPARO Legal Services
Dr. Wilmer Leon, Sirius FM
Bill Gallegos, Climate Justice, Communities for a Better Environment
Taz Ahmed, 18 Million Rising
Mimi Kennedy, People Demanding Action
Medea Benjamin, Code Pink
http://thebestdemocracymoneycanbuy.com/petition/
To: Office of the Attorney General, Loretta E. Lynch
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001
In his new Rolling Stone investigation Greg Palast has revealed that a program to prevent alleged voter fraud, Interstate Crosscheck, has wrongly tagged voters listing them as registering in two states or voting in two states, a felony crime. The suspect list of potential criminals contains an astonishing SEVEN MILLION NAMESnaming ONE IN SEVEN voters of color in the Crosscheck states.
While partisan officials have kept the list confidential, Rolling Stone investigative reporter Greg Palast obtained over one million of the accused.
The ONLY evidence you have voted or registered in two states is that you share a first name and last name with another voter. A typical example: Maria ISABEL Hernandez of Virginia is supposedly the same voter as Maria CRISTINA Hernandez of Louisiana.
Tens of thousands of voters have already been purged in a single state. As many as one million may lose their right to vote by this November.
Experts have stated the Crosscheck system, directed for 30 states by the highly partisan Secretary of State of Kansas, is dangerously biased against minorities. As the great civil rights leader Rev. Joseph Lowery said of Crosscheck, This is Jim Crow all over again.
From:
We, the undersigned. The American public demand an investigation of Crosschecks racially-biased purge operation and the release of the entire list of the seven million Americans suspected of voting or registering in two states..
Upon reaching 50,000 co-signers our team at the Palast Investigative Fund will hand deliver the names to your office and demand that your Civil Rights division do a full investigation into the Interstate Crosscheck program.
Signed,
Congressman Alcee Hastings, Congressional Black Caucus
Hon. Keith Ellison, US Congressman
Martin Luther King III
Santiago Juarez, AMPARO Legal Services
Dr. Wilmer Leon, Sirius FM
Bill Gallegos, Climate Justice, Communities for a Better Environment
Taz Ahmed, 18 Million Rising
Mimi Kennedy, People Demanding Action
Medea Benjamin, Code Pink
http://thebestdemocracymoneycanbuy.com/petition/
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Why not more discussion of Greg Palast's compelling case that GOP stole 2016 election? [View all]
cloudythescribbler
Dec 2016
OP
What many don't seem to understand or acknowledge is that it isn't a binary choice.
TwilightZone
Dec 2016
#16
+1, and plenty of post here with the "bright shiny object" text around it too
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#15
Exactly! I am tired of hearing the same rw media talking points regurgitated here on DU
AgadorSparticus
Dec 2016
#67
One still shouldn't disregard Kris Kobach and the Interstate Cross Check voter purge program.
think
Dec 2016
#28
Strict voter ID would hurt rural whites to an extent (at least below a certain income)
forjusticethunders
Dec 2016
#75
Newsflash: What you describe of repug operations is cheating. I don't care if they legalized it.
brush
Dec 2016
#42
We're on the same page. Repug cheating has to be stopped so the candidate with nearly 3 million . .
brush
Dec 2016
#50
You don't think that voter suppression is intended to disproportionately disenfranchise Democrats?
TwilightZone
Dec 2016
#23
No, I don't believe there are not many deceased and moved voters on the rolls
CajunBlazer
Dec 2016
#59
deceased and moved voters on the rolls is something different than telephone numbers called
putitinD
Dec 2016
#77
The problem with "voter poll purge" concern is that we should have then seen a rash
jonno99
Dec 2016
#27
A program called Interstate Cross Check & Kris Kobach are at the heart of GOP voter suppression
think
Dec 2016
#18
Voter fraud? This is not about voter fraud. This is about purging voters who should be allowed to
think
Dec 2016
#39
Obama says Republicans tried to 'purge' black Democrats from voter rolls in North Carolina
think
Dec 2016
#43
Assemblywoman Barbara Lifton, D-Ithaca made the statement. Are you saying her figures are wrong?
think
Dec 2016
#58
Then they weren't using the list correctly and then should have be prosecuted
CajunBlazer
Dec 2016
#64
YOU need to stop attacking this person who you know very well is trying to frame purging
ancianita
Dec 2016
#66
History shows that much inaccessible and unaccountable info is shut down as conspiracy theory. That
ancianita
Dec 2016
#70
You're talking all around my point.The fact that people voice any support for any evidence gathering
ancianita
Dec 2016
#72
I hear you. Points taken. Thanks for your further explanations. I stand firm on the claim that
ancianita
Dec 2016
#76
I see what you did there, you changed the subject... good try... voter suppression is the point not
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#86
Folks like splashy things. Need to bring media attention and more web interaction
MaeScott
Dec 2016
#20
This is a problem. Those who won't trust Palast should at least Google "Kris Kobach" & "Cross Check"
think
Dec 2016
#33
The effects of voter suppression is a CT? Really? So the VRA was just a waste of time hunh? smdh
uponit7771
Dec 2016
#87