2016 Postmortem

elleng

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54. Thanks, think, for asking for info.

Reply to think (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 8, 2016, 01:07 PM

Dec 2016

There are SO many posts around here that call 'bull shit,' with no rationale, so no way to discuss.

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Former Obama backers in blue-collar Trumbull County now pinning their hopes on Donald Trump [View all] think Dec 2016 OP

I'd like to see the hard evidence of these flipped counties, going from Obama twice to Fuck uponit7771 Dec 2016 #1

Racism and xenophobia carried the day. duffyduff Dec 2016 #31

I believe what they said. pangaia Dec 2016 #77

He wore a ball cap. yallerdawg Dec 2016 #2

Where does the article talk about a ball cap? Perhaps I'm not seeing that reference? think Dec 2016 #4

Are you buying their rationalizations? yallerdawg Dec 2016 #6

The actual things these people are saying in the article as to their reasons for voting Trump might think Dec 2016 #9

They turned away from Obama... yallerdawg Dec 2016 #13

How does ignoring those people who switched and voted for Trump help the party going forward? think Dec 2016 #14

Over 70% of voting-age America... yallerdawg Dec 2016 #16

They were, in my opinion, voting for what they thought was their own financial interests. pangaia Dec 2016 #78

yep, the ball caps were an excellent idea 0rganism Dec 2016 #70

Michael Moore Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #76

Trump won't help them. Improving their education level is the only way forward. Trust Buster Dec 2016 #3

Nope. Not bothering with them is the only answer. duffyduff Dec 2016 #32

Agreed. Trust Buster Dec 2016 #36

This is my brother's county exboyfil Dec 2016 #5

Thank you for your input. A person in the article also mentions small business issues. think Dec 2016 #15

Does anyone know how taxes are done in exboyfil Dec 2016 #19

No, we can't. duffyduff Dec 2016 #30

So perhaps you'd like to show where the reporter is bullshitting. The major thrust of the article is think Dec 2016 #33

Thanks, think, for asking for info. elleng Dec 2016 #54

Just trying to stick with the facts. think Dec 2016 #58

Really? "The reporter is bullshitting you"? Prove it. blue neen Dec 2016 #45

I live in Cleveland. sfwriter Dec 2016 #7

No, they aren't. Author wastes tons of time finding a handful of people duffyduff Dec 2016 #29

The article was "Trumpland" 'light' Sunlei Dec 2016 #35

You did not read what I said. sfwriter Dec 2016 #84

Steel industry planned to close those plants in the 1930s Kolesar Dec 2016 #8

How did Trumbull County vote in the March primary? Sunlei Dec 2016 #10

Trumbull County voted for Hillary in the primary think Dec 2016 #17

Thanks, pretty much a split county even back in March. Sunlei Dec 2016 #25

I'm sorry, but people like these deserve exactly what they get for backing Trump. Paladin Dec 2016 #11

How does that get them to vote for Democrats next time? They voted for Obama twice think Dec 2016 #12

And you actually believe that article? duffyduff Dec 2016 #27

Yes. I believe the Cleveland Plain Dealer is a very legitimate source and they didn't FAKE the news. think Dec 2016 #28

Yeah, you said that several times now. We get it. pangaia Dec 2016 #80

Idk if they will ever vote democratic again so long as those mexicans r booted. katsy Dec 2016 #62

I know some. sfwriter Dec 2016 #85

Exactly. I quit shedding tears for these guys years and years ago. duffyduff Dec 2016 #26

I've been saying this all along B2G Dec 2016 #18

Sorry. Wrong. They voted xenophobia and "social issues." duffyduff Dec 2016 #22

In my neck of the woods it's about what your pastor tells you it's about RonniePudding Dec 2016 #40

I don't believe that bullshit. n/t duffyduff Dec 2016 #20

What don't you believe? think Dec 2016 #21

The article. It is a load of crap. duffyduff Dec 2016 #23

Cleveland.com is a partner with the Cleveland Plain Dealer. They have a very solid reputation: think Dec 2016 #24

I live in Cleveland... sfwriter Dec 2016 #86

Ignorance about the economy is the culprit here. LonePirate Dec 2016 #34

Automation is not the reason. That is false. Trade deals, destruction of unions, and outsourcing duffyduff Dec 2016 #37

That was then-- this is now. Reagan did set the stage, but US manufacturing output is sky high... TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #41

You are wrong about the reason for manufacturing job losses since 2000. LonePirate Dec 2016 #44

I see some arguing with the premise of this article, but... TreasonousBastard Dec 2016 #38

I hope they get back to us in a couple of years to let us know how their lives have improved. Vinca Dec 2016 #39

The jobs aren't coming back. RonniePudding Dec 2016 #42

President Obama was pushing for the TPP during the election. That really didn't help matters... think Dec 2016 #43

The TPP isn't why the jobs aren't coming back. RonniePudding Dec 2016 #46

People were concerned that the TPP would mean the loss of even more jobs think Dec 2016 #47

I understand that they are fearful RonniePudding Dec 2016 #48

They don't want MORE jobs to leave in addition to the jobs we already lost. Workers have few rights think Dec 2016 #49

These folks quoted in the story are going to be very, very dissapointed over the next few years RonniePudding Dec 2016 #52

Yes. They most likely will. But Obama's support for the TPP sent mixed signals think Dec 2016 #55

The average voter has no idea what the TPP is or that it even exists. TwilightZone Dec 2016 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author Jake Stern Dec 2016 #72

Article is base off a lie. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #50

Please feel free to explain. think Dec 2016 #51

I'm not making the absurd claim. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #57

Trumbull county went for Obama in 2008 and 2012. The county went for Trump in 2016 think Dec 2016 #59

Not in one single way. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #60

Where did the Trump votes come from then? think Dec 2016 #61

I assume most come from America. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #63

Trumbull county overwhelmingly voted for Obama in 08 & 2012. Some of those people had to vote think Dec 2016 #65

It is not obvious. It is actually dishonest. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #66

Are you suggesting that no one in Trumbull county who voted for Obama in 08 & 2012 voted for Trump think Dec 2016 #67

That is not what I said. I understand why you need to try to frame it that way. nt. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #68

"You might not expect that a lot people who voted for Barack Obama, not once but twice, are now Dona think Dec 2016 #69

Yes, it is dishonest reporting. That isn't a claim. It is fact. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #71

I'll stand by the Pulitzer winning Cleveland Plain Dealer and it's reporter. But feel free to claim think Dec 2016 #74

Neither you or he backed this up in any way. It is dishonest at best. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #75

Here are the actual voting results for Trumbull county for all 3 elections. think Dec 2016 #81

"There's something in the water, or the air..." raging moderate Dec 2016 #56

Good luck with that, morons. Coventina Dec 2016 #64

They deserve what's coming MFM008 Dec 2016 #73

Here's what's going to happen in short order: stopbush Dec 2016 #79

Nope, nope. Doesn't fit the DU narrative. Should probably be locked or deleted. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #82

They'll swing back when Trump fails them n/t taught_me_patience Dec 2016 #83