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2016 Postmortem

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adigal

(7,581 posts)
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 02:52 PM Dec 2016

So What Would It Take for Many of You To Be Rude to Ivanka??? [View all]

So many of you got the vapors that a gay man was rude to Ivanka in front of her children. You compared Ivanka falsely to Sasha and Malia, which is a false equivalence as she has been, and is, an active part of his campaign and Administration. (A logical response would have been to compare Barron and Sasha, but you polite people didn't do that. And i would agree that to accost Barron, a child, would be wrong.) Ivanka worked on his campaign, works on his transition team, sits in on meetings and wants an active role, a West Wing office. She is not an innocent bystander here.

So i'm curious as to what it would take for you to say something to Ivanka and her asshole husband who worked with Bannon on having Bill Clinton's accusers at the 2nd debate? Even if her children were there? Let's play, shall we?

If Muslims were having to register, would you speak out to Ivanka, even if her children got upset?
How many of you polite folks would put your names on that registry?

How about if they marched Muslim children into camps like we have done in our not so distant history? Would you still worry about optics and upsetting her children? I bet you would still not speak out, because we Dems dont so such mean things. (And I wonder how George Takei, who was put in a camp as a child, felt about that man speaking out to Ivanka yesterday?)

How about sending Dreamers back to countries they havent seen since infant hood?? Puliing them out of their homes, onto buses, into detention centers to be processed to be sent back to the country they were taken from as children? Would you say something yet to Ivanka, who is demanding an office in the West Wing. Or would you be loathe to upset her and the children? Just be polite! The other side might say mean things about us.

These are all things Trump has promised to do. I get that it's very scary to take him at his word, terrifying to think that these are not normal times. He is not a normal Republican. That he will try to do what he says. But there is a very good possibility that Trump will do as he said he will do. Do you think Obama is believing him? If not, why is he dismantling that program that tracked Muslims here illegally after 9/11. Take Trump at his word. And Ivanka is part of his team.

Oh, i forgot! This can't happen here! We aren't like that! Yet we are. And the sooner we realize that 25% of Americans would happily march Muslims and Latinos off, and many of you would remain silent from how upset you get at someone exercised his right to speak out about bigotry, the more we can see who would fight this and who would not. The sooner we start to speak up, even if feelings get bruised, or children get startled, the sooner they will know that we are not too nice to stand up for our neighbors, against injustice. They need to know that as soon as possible.

The difference between us and Republicans is they take a no-holds barred approach and they're doing it in their fight to hurt people. Even when we are being hurt or defending the weak, Democrats want to be kind and mannerly and polite. Even when it may be life or death. You must always be polite and not offend.

I'm not even going to respond to you saying how mean i am. Because i think many Americans are being willfully blind and ignorant about what this man, led by Bannon, has in store for us.

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It would serve no constructive purpose.. CentralMass Dec 2016 #1
I'd have NO problem telling her to proceed with self-fornication! lastlib Dec 2016 #19
The situation did not warrant such rude behavior to me, esp. in a confined commutation setting. TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #42
Exactly, and especially this is not appropriate on a plane. cwydro Dec 2016 #46
Yes, it should. And that should be started from the top of the party. Bohunk68 Dec 2016 #54
Then we are no better than they are EffieBlack Dec 2016 #58
Then, one has to ask what is your purpose? Bohunk68 Dec 2016 #65
I generally leave candidates' children alone crazycatlady Dec 2016 #2
I would probably ignore her. Ilsa Dec 2016 #3
As many pointed out, it's not so much whether it's appropriate to vent at Ivanka... Gidney N Cloyd Dec 2016 #4
Yeah, that's a guarantee that you're going to get thrown off the plane. NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2016 #30
I just need to see her on the street and then I will speak my mind. LonePirate Dec 2016 #5
Even these ones? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #55
The presence of kids should not deter one from speaking against the destruction of our country. LonePirate Dec 2016 #56
What the hell is wrong with you? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #62
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #63
That's just plain DUMB NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #64
It bothered me that her children were there Siwsan Dec 2016 #6
Who the hell can afford her merchandise? meow2u3 Dec 2016 #20
I confess, I have no idea where they are sold Siwsan Dec 2016 #21
Are you kidding? I saw an Ivanka Trump sweater at TJ Maxx. SMC22307 Dec 2016 #22
I saw a ***** shirt at the Goodwill last year. mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2016 #32
A lot of her stuff is under 100 bucks. Some under 50 Johnathan146 Dec 2016 #26
I would never be rude to her. Why should I? On a plane is just dumb. yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #7
I agree about Sasha and Malia forthemiddle Dec 2016 #8
You can't really compare Chelsea to Ivanka. avebury Dec 2016 #11
some people would catsudon Dec 2016 #16
Just remind her that many of the people who want Muslims to register greymattermom Dec 2016 #9
Hurling verbal abuse at strangers doesn't convice them. Throd 2.0 Dec 2016 #10
I agree. SharonClark Dec 2016 #12
I would give her the finger Emilybemily Dec 2016 #13
Her and cheato want policies that will cause thousands of children to starve to death or die libtodeath Dec 2016 #14
It would take one of two things mythology Dec 2016 #15
She's a completed entitled dumb ass BigDemVoter Dec 2016 #17
For her to be on a stage speaking in public. What the hell is your problem? Hekate Dec 2016 #18
I think what really bothers me about all this, yagotme Dec 2016 #23
Perfectly said EffieBlack Dec 2016 #59
I suspect that tweeting that you are going after the President Elect's daughter traditionally gets HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #66
Possible candidate for no-fly list also, I presume. n/t yagotme Dec 2016 #68
Near proximity. (n/t) Iggo Dec 2016 #24
I would probably ask her how she can sleep at night. hamsterjill Dec 2016 #25
If she has a role in the administration, she is fair game. sfwriter Dec 2016 #27
at first sight. MFM008 Dec 2016 #28
Ivanka plans to champion climate change and child care within the Trump admin HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #29
Bullshit. You don't appoint climate change deniers and then pretend "First Lady Daughter" is going LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #33
Straight up. Iggo Dec 2016 #37
Thank you for this. People should not claim the moral high ground while they're standing in bullshit LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #31
Well, she would have to be within shouting distance from me. Yup. That would do it. n/t Binkie The Clown Dec 2016 #34
I would remove myself from where any of them appeared. JNelson6563 Dec 2016 #35
Ivanka and Trump better go everywhere with their children as shields! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #36
It would take Chelsea Clinton de-friending her. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #38
Nothing. I am not a classless asshole. phleshdef Dec 2016 #39
What part of her workong in the West Wing, sitting in on Daddy's meetings, adigal Dec 2016 #40
Don't care. Not gonna harass her. Act like a grown up. phleshdef Dec 2016 #41
Grown ups speak up when people enable evil adigal Dec 2016 #43
If you think harassing someone on a plane in front of their kids... phleshdef Dec 2016 #45
It's NOT harassment...it's speaking up nt adigal Dec 2016 #47
Its achieving absolutely nothing other than to make the Trump family looks like sympathetic figures. phleshdef Dec 2016 #48
Exactly... you probably can't buy positive press like that... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #67
I wouldn't, because they wouldn't care, and i wouldn't want the hassle of dionysus Dec 2016 #44
I would just be cool, or maybe a bit aloof.... Wounded Bear Dec 2016 #49
I don't treat people rude, IMO you do more harm them good Raine Dec 2016 #50
Why did you call out the man's sexual orientation? nt MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #51
Because as a gay man, the Trump adminstration wants to take away his rights adigal Dec 2016 #69
No sympathy MFM008 Dec 2016 #52
I think I could find more constructive and productive things to worry about. Lil Missy Dec 2016 #53
I was raised not to be rude to anyone - and not to lower my personal standards of behavior based EffieBlack Dec 2016 #57
There is a difference between speaking one's mind and being a rude jerk EffieBlack Dec 2016 #60
Ivanka iis probably the only woman in the USA who would be safer by walking around in a birka. enid602 Dec 2016 #61
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