2016 Postmortem

Uponthegears

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207. How dare you challenge the DU orthodoxy

Reply to NoGoodNamesLeft (Original post)

Fri Dec 30, 2016, 07:31 AM

Dec 2016

If we can't treat voters who knew nothing about Trump other than that he grabs women by their genitals and nothing about Hillary other than the steady stream of lies spread by the MSM with the able assistance of Putin like they are no different than the racist clowns who we now know make up the entirety of the Republican party, how can we ignore the fact that the overwhelming majority of the national campaign's energy went to the one argument we had the biggest problem making with a straight face (i.e., that, in a nation where sexual discrimination, if not predation, is commonplace among many of Trump's predecessors, his sexual predation is disqualifying)?

If we can't say that it was voters' fault for "not going to Hillary's website because all of the (genuinely great) things she stood for were right there" how can we ignore that they were just footnotes during her speeches?

We might actually have to take some responsibility and it sure as heck wasn't our fault.

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Do you have loved ones who voted for Trump who you KNOW are NOT racists/sexists/bigots? [View all] NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 OP

He campaigned on destroying immigrant families and banning muslims. libtodeath Dec 2016 #1

and on repealing healthcare and being republican he's gonna Ohioblue22 Dec 2016 #4

Many people don't pay attention to the news or look things up NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #6

It seems to me that it's wrong for a citizen to be so poorly informed. yardwork Dec 2016 #63

The Corporate-owned Main Stream Media have been deliberately calculating in their misleading Cal33 Dec 2016 #123

Then why brutus smith Dec 2016 #128

Most people don't know who the hell Stein is NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #135

You're right... Blanks Dec 2016 #155

It is the same thing BainsBane Dec 2016 #192

This EffieBlack Dec 2016 #199

Exactly Loric Vilesilencer Dec 2016 #203

I know a lot of people brutus smith Dec 2016 #211

If they weren't before, they are now Loric Vilesilencer Dec 2016 #214

Pardon them brutus smith Dec 2016 #220

I will pardon you Loric Vilesilencer Dec 2016 #221

Don't worry about me. brutus smith Dec 2016 #228

Anyone who uses the silly and vapid meme Loric Vilesilencer Dec 2016 #235

I was referring brutus smith Dec 2016 #210

Yes, most of my in-laws Amishman Dec 2016 #66

people have a responsibility to inform themselves 85 or not Ohioblue22 Dec 2016 #2

She is trusting and trusted her social circle is my best guess NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #9

A lot of them think they are informed because they watch Fox news & listen to talk radio, CrispyQ Dec 2016 #55

The only way that's going to happen is if we all speak up. yardwork Dec 2016 #64

Yes, friends and family. Throd 2.0 Dec 2016 #3

My ex husband was a racist douchebag, and I'm sure he voted Trump but I haven't seen him in years NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #12

Welcome to DU!! (eom) StevieM Dec 2016 #33

If they aren't... tonedevil Dec 2016 #5

Could you please provide some evidence of this claim? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #31

Trump... tonedevil Dec 2016 #42

Please provide proof that you know all of Trump's voters NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #59

You saying I'm making... tonedevil Dec 2016 #95

So you are claiming that over 60 million Americans are racists? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #117

Actually all Americans... tonedevil Dec 2016 #119

Racism/bigotry is not the same thing as bias/prejudice NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #121

Your insistence on intent... tonedevil Dec 2016 #122

But you can't even be a bigot without intent NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #137

All you have to do... tonedevil Dec 2016 #141

I haven't responded to everyone because I haven't read all comments yet NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #145

What a ridiculous definition Loric Vilesilencer Dec 2016 #205

Oxford English Dictionary NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #236

+1000 n/t jaysunb Dec 2016 #172

I get all my news online. If i weren't a political junkie, and all i knew of trump was the tiny bit dionysus Dec 2016 #184

Bingo! EffieBlack Dec 2016 #156

+1 n/t jaysunb Dec 2016 #175

Word otohara Dec 2016 #229

They are now...i make no bones about it to them either. nt LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #7

See post 31 please NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #32

Have they denounced Trump in ANY way Loric Vilesilencer Dec 2016 #208

No. nt geek tragedy Dec 2016 #8

If you subject the world to a fascist American government (and its military) FiveGoodMen Dec 2016 #10

I am with you. libtodeath Dec 2016 #73

"No Exceptions" OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #146

I ABSOLUTELY oppose fascists and those who support them! FiveGoodMen Dec 2016 #162

they are the worst kind of bigot..... bowens43 Dec 2016 #11

Unless there is conscious intent then it's not racism/sexism/bigotry NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #35

Plenty of people voted for him who are not bigots or sexists. LonePirate Dec 2016 #13

Definitely should not remain silent...but MUST remain HONEST NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #28

There's not much of a line separating voting for/supporting a bigot and being complicit with bigotry LonePirate Dec 2016 #36

Many of his voters do NOT believe what the press reports NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #60

The onus should be on his voters trying to understand why millions of Americans think he's a bigot. LonePirate Dec 2016 #62

Perhaps it should...but their candidate won, so they won't NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #72

We're never going to appeal to large blocs of his voters. LonePirate Dec 2016 #80

Hillary was smeared relentlessly for decades NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #101

Heartily agree on #2. I've floated that idea as well. Every national Dem should run on that goal. LonePirate Dec 2016 #112

The overwhelming majority of those being labeled as bigots just don't care about identity issues Amishman Dec 2016 #227

This message was self-deleted by its author CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #14

And communists would endorse democrats TexasMommaWithAHat Dec 2016 #157

My father in law titaniumsalute Dec 2016 #15

What are "milano children"? cwydro Dec 2016 #18

Milano children are children born in marybourg Dec 2016 #27

Yeah, I figured he wasn't talking about children born in Milan. cwydro Dec 2016 #77

Fucking voice to text LOL titaniumsalute Dec 2016 #110

Isn't a milano a cookie LOL titaniumsalute Dec 2016 #111

Alyssa milano's kids? dionysus Dec 2016 #186

Could have been over abortion NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #38

Yes it could have been the community...which is pretty much the church titaniumsalute Dec 2016 #113

No, some were merely disgustingly sexist. The rest supported his bigotry and hate to such an extent bettyellen Dec 2016 #16

Could you please list the "rest" that you know supported his bigotry? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #41

That's nice. Maybe if you stamp your feet too it will help with the effect you are trying to achieve Squinch Dec 2016 #46

Just asking for evidence to support their claim NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #61

But you stamping your feet and holding your breath at them is helpful and productive? Squinch Dec 2016 #65

Since when is asking for properly cited proof having a tantrum? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #74

Oh wow -using the RW "reverse racism" or "woman card" bullshit to defend sexism and racism.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #50

First, stereotyping is NOT racism/sexism/bigotry NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #70

Calling out people who condemn those who support bigotry is a RW mind trick.... bettyellen Dec 2016 #93

You're not calling out people who support bigotry, though NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #118

You might want to "rules lawyer " the point that some voted in complete ignorance but ..... bettyellen Dec 2016 #223

Then what people are doing that's got you all upset Loric Vilesilencer Dec 2016 #212

Oh for crying out loud blue cat Dec 2016 #58

I'm not saying you haven't. I'm just saying that you can't truthfully say ALL of a group NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #82

Okay blue cat Dec 2016 #106

Most racists voted for Trump, but most Trump voters are not racists NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #170

From Public Policy Polling: Garrett78 Dec 2016 #171

Whether or not trump is personally racist... he catered to them... which would make him dionysus Dec 2016 #187

This is 1 of the best, 1 of the most realistic, & 1 of the most constructive posts I've read here mtnsnake Dec 2016 #17

DUers love to generalize when it suits them. cwydro Dec 2016 #20

Thanks, I think many here are so angry that they don't see what they are doing NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork Dec 2016 #69

I agree. n/t Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #100

Hell will freeze over BainsBane Dec 2016 #194

Yes. PotatoChip Dec 2016 #19

If they seriously thought it was"Trump or WWIII"... SidDithers Dec 2016 #48

Vaht? G O Peeeeee.. voters... vaz you shayin shumthin about them being idiots... to meeee? dionysus Dec 2016 #188

Heya dionysus... SidDithers Dec 2016 #190

Hey stranger! dionysus Dec 2016 #193

I saw much of the same NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #49

If they're not those things they're at least willing to look the other way, it seems onecaliberal Dec 2016 #21

I know that some don't believe he really meant much of what he said, too NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #57

Does your... tonedevil Dec 2016 #97

They know they aren't racists NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #151

They voted for a misogynist, racist sociopath mcar Dec 2016 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author CountAllVotes Dec 2016 #24

That's it right there for me. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #85

I have one close friend who voted for Trump radical noodle Dec 2016 #23

Out of many Trump voter friends (no family voted Trump), there is only one to whom I give a pass... stevenleser Dec 2016 #25

I think you could add brainwashed and gullible to the list. bullimiami Dec 2016 #26

I have found that some of them I didn't really know. redstatebluegirl Dec 2016 #29

AFAIC - if you vote for a racist, sexist, bigot - that makes you a racist, sexist, bigot, too. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2016 #30

My sister. no_hypocrisy Dec 2016 #34

Let's distinguish between the Conned and the Corrupt Trump voter delisen Dec 2016 #37

We need a way of implanting a bar code on everyone so we can keep track of all these jalan48 Dec 2016 #39

I have relatives who would THINK they are not racists/sexists/bigots.... Sancho Dec 2016 #40

Just because they are family doesnt mean that they are good people. Jamie Mayfield Dec 2016 #43

Enemies to me and mine - All of them - Nt The Polack MSgt Dec 2016 #44

Too fucking bad... SidDithers Dec 2016 #45

Yes I do. I know several thinking, logical persons... Raster Dec 2016 #51

Anyone who I know that voted for Trump is a racist/sexist/bigot. hamsterjill Dec 2016 #52

no MFM008 Dec 2016 #53

No, those I know who voted for trump are racist, bigots... Tikki Dec 2016 #54

To answer your question with a resounding yes blue cat Dec 2016 #56

I am guessing this didn't go the way you thought it was going to go... Squinch Dec 2016 #67

Don't give up your day job... NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #75

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #84

You joined DU yesterday and you're already calling us the Gestapo? yardwork Dec 2016 #87

No, I joined in 2004. Throd 2.0 Dec 2016 #91

The hack was on November 8, that was 43 days before you "re-registered". George II Dec 2016 #179

Is that you being productive again? Squinch Dec 2016 #127

I do. And I know cradle Democrats who never voted for an R before who voted for Trump. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #102

I do, lots in fact. Ill even go as far to say that the majority of them are NOT racist. jack_krass Dec 2016 #180

My version of your aunt is a neighbor whom I see marybourg Dec 2016 #68

Frankly, anybody who can tolerate watching Fox all day has to be racist. yardwork Dec 2016 #71

Well, you read my explanation. marybourg Dec 2016 #76

The root of all bigotry is fear. yardwork Dec 2016 #78

Actually, the root of all bigotry is intolerance NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #88

Agreed! brutus smith Dec 2016 #209

Back in 2001 I didn't realize what it was... Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #83

I tend to agree with you NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #79

Sadly, the people I know who claim to have voted for him... Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #81

I agree with you. I was taught that being a citizen requires responsibility. yardwork Dec 2016 #86

Exactly Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #217

Are you confusing bigotry with bias? Intent is really important on this issue. NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #120

I'm very much aware of the differences between... Pacifist Patriot Dec 2016 #216

We're going to have a heck of a problem in 2018 if this keeps up! Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #89

We'll have a worse problem if we keep enabling atrocious behavior. yardwork Dec 2016 #90

We already lost the election! Not alienatiing all the opposing voters enables nothing except Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #99

I'd rather focus on the Democrats who didn't vote and get them to the polls. yardwork Dec 2016 #104

That's a great approach too, but in 2018 that will be difficult and disillusion should Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #107

Exactly! NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #134

My baby brother is a sexist and that is why he voted for Trump... iluvtennis Dec 2016 #92

I have relatives who voted for Trump who I thought were Lint Head Dec 2016 #94

But being "oblivious" OrwellwasRight Dec 2016 #148

I agree. But either you are ignorant or oblivious because Lint Head Dec 2016 #168

That caricature is too simple. There was a poll not long before the election that... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #96

They may not BE racists or sexists, but racism and sexism are KingCharlemagne Dec 2016 #98

I don't know the hearts of these people only their actions Afromania Dec 2016 #103

You should not assume my own family has not been impacted, because it has NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #150

right Afromania Dec 2016 #158

YES! And this especially: Squinch Dec 2016 #153

Fortunately no. All my family and relatives, as far as I know, voted for HRC ffr Dec 2016 #105

No, the only people I know that voted fro tRump are bigots (of one stripe or another/ or multiple) etherealtruth Dec 2016 #108

I don't think they are all necessarily racist, sexist, etc. Chemisse Dec 2016 #109

They either liked that he was racist, or they were OK with it. Nt gollygee Dec 2016 #114

Sorry, no. Fuck them all. lastone Dec 2016 #115

No. OnionPatch Dec 2016 #116

They may not be racists but they voted for racism adigal Dec 2016 #124

Unless your non-racist Trump voters are prepared TODAY to join the resistance stopbush Dec 2016 #125

Exactly..if you choose to wield the power of your vote Loric Vilesilencer Dec 2016 #215

Nope. They made me wear my Obama-vote, why should I check my commentary to save fee-fees? Pholus Dec 2016 #126

Is this in response to this? rug Dec 2016 #129

I know at least two people who voted for Trump who I wouldn't consider to be bigots. Willie Pep Dec 2016 #130

nah Afromania Dec 2016 #131

No passes from me. yardwork Dec 2016 #136

racists/sexists/bigots, you left off deeply stupid Exultant Democracy Dec 2016 #132

You mean people have no treestar Dec 2016 #133

Trick question Turbineguy Dec 2016 #138

Polling showed top two issues for Trump voters was immigration and terrorism Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #139

On one end yes, they are ethnic/race-based issues...IF you are a racist/bigot NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #142

Lulz Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #173

they thought it was ok for someone who went around attacking hispanics to be President JI7 Dec 2016 #177

I know good people that voted for Trump marylandblue Dec 2016 #140

They get to call us losers and sore losers. pintobean Dec 2016 #143

Not all are racist. Some are idiots. DanTex Dec 2016 #144

Yes. She's a white woman, a special education teacher for students with developmental 24601 Dec 2016 #147

Not off-hand sakabatou Dec 2016 #149

Labels are great Joe Turner Dec 2016 #152

They are the "I'm not a racist, but..." racists. Missn-Hitch Dec 2016 #154

Yes, I do.... CherokeeDem Dec 2016 #159

I had conservative friends who I never would have thought of as racist randr Dec 2016 #160

No. All Trump voters voted for a racist agenda of muslim registries and walls against Mexican rapist bravenak Dec 2016 #161

Consequences are different than condemnation marylandblue Dec 2016 #163

Condemnation IS their CONSEQUENCE bravenak Dec 2016 #165

nope Afromania Dec 2016 #166

Without power BainsBane Dec 2016 #196

since thst voted for someone who attacked entire groups of people they shouldn't mind some JI7 Dec 2016 #164

And I am sick of being asked to give a pass to people who knowingly voted for a racist EffieBlack Dec 2016 #167

Truth. teezy Dec 2016 #176

Thank you The Polack MSgt Dec 2016 #204

No, I don't. I may love them but they're bigots. Part of the problem is some seem to think... Garrett78 Dec 2016 #169

They are all racist or indistinguishable from racist samir.g Dec 2016 #174

Glad you started this thread Rural_Progressive Dec 2016 #178

There are some in my extended family mvd Dec 2016 #181

Yes. jack_krass Dec 2016 #182

No. liberalmuse Dec 2016 #183

I'm sorry, but if they voted for Trump, then they ARE racists/sexists/bigots PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #185

No I don't have any loved ones that voted for Trump True_Blue Dec 2016 #189

LOL Afromania Dec 2016 #198

They decided they were comfortable with a man BainsBane Dec 2016 #191

You are awesome - thank you! EffieBlack Dec 2016 #200

My parents. MarvinGardens Dec 2016 #195

They may be redeemable - but they need to redeem themselves EffieBlack Dec 2016 #202

Agree 100% (nt) MarvinGardens Dec 2016 #233

Yes... nt Raine Dec 2016 #197

How about a single-issue voter who otherwise likes Barack Obama. Eugene Dec 2016 #201

Most racists are idiots but not all idiots are not necessarily racist . . . EffieBlack Dec 2016 #206

How dare you challenge the DU orthodoxy Uponthegears Dec 2016 #207

ANYONE who paints ANY group with too broad a brush is being ignorant and foolish. Period. RBInMaine Dec 2016 #213

Let's not forget, the people you're so vigorously defending Loric Vilesilencer Dec 2016 #218

I would not be surprised if some of my relatives voted by Trump. avebury Dec 2016 #219

Shit loads of people around here voted for Trump. jmg257 Dec 2016 #222

You didn't know women can be just as sexist as men? bettyellen Dec 2016 #224

Agreed. I do know enough people who didn't give a shit about sex of the candidates. jmg257 Dec 2016 #225

I've met people that claimed that, but talked about Bill- his penis, the policies he bettyellen Dec 2016 #226

Can't Agree More ... DaleFromWPB Dec 2016 #230

Yes, my sister. She just hated Hillary so much she refused to vote for her. She is the product of TrekLuver Dec 2016 #231

"Do you have loved ones who voted for Trump who you KNOW are NOT racists/sexists/bigots?" DemocratSinceBirth Dec 2016 #232

my aunt REALLY was silly about bill clinton + said she wanted to vote idiot. never mind RUMP a PERV. pansypoo53219 Dec 2016 #234

"falsely accused and labelled as bigots"? Atticus Dec 2016 #237