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el_bryanto

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84. It is a complicated question

Tue Aug 19, 2014, 08:25 AM

Aug 2014

Because we don't really know; we know that some atheists at DU and some believers at DU complain of being second class citizens here. I've certainly noted that posting attacks on religion, even in GD, sometimes goes ignored. But they may have a point when their posts are alerted on and regularly face a hostile reaction. So it's hard to say.

Every time one does a religious demographics thread at DU though Atheism and Agnosticism (which aren't the same thing but are often two separate choices) usually poll higher than any individual faith.

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Religious privilege. [View all] hrmjustin Jul 2014 OP

It pales in comparison to racial, gender and economic privilege. rug Jul 2014 #1

I agree. I also do not think there is religious privilege on DU. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #6

I do. Kali Jul 2014 #2

Sanctuaries or church buildings? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #3

oops sorry I missed your question Kali Jul 2014 #18

I imagine it could be upsetting to some people, especially those who had bad experiences hrmjustin Jul 2014 #23

Mottos on dollar bills are pretty mild privileges compared to those amassing the bills. rug Jul 2014 #4

I had to vote in a nail salon. kwassa Jul 2014 #10

I vote in my old school and everything looks so big now. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #11

wow, I don't think I have ever even heard of voting in a place of business. Kali Jul 2014 #19

My parents also voted at a car dealership okasha Jul 2014 #35

What are you complaining about? Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2014 #14

think of some location that you do not go to voluntarily Kali Jul 2014 #15

Do you feel uncomfortable going into churches when you are traveling? cbayer Jul 2014 #16

actually yeah, sometimes Kali Jul 2014 #17

I think you are right about privilege acting like blinders. cbayer Jul 2014 #20

Why? rug Jul 2014 #51

Somehow I don't think the details on the bill okasha Jul 2014 #5

Agreed. I also don't see religious privilege here on DU. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #7

There's a certain level of privilege required okasha Jul 2014 #8

True. I wonder though as a NYer if I don't really see what atheists have to go through. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #9

Based soley on my own personal experience of more than twenty years as a non believer Leontius Jul 2014 #40

That is interesting. I have met atheists on here who say they dealwith a lot of crap and some hrmjustin Jul 2014 #41

I feel anything has more to do with how you present yourself kentauros Aug 2014 #56

Of course there is, particularly for chrisitians in this country cbayer Jul 2014 #12

Being from ny it is difficult to see it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #22

Well, it might be hard to see because you are a part of that pretty elite club. cbayer Jul 2014 #24

Actually in NYC you can't put a manger in a school but you can put a menorah. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #28

Why would you be able to put up a menorah but not a manger? cbayer Jul 2014 #31

indeed! But the couurts allowed it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #32

Are you sure about this Justin? That just doesn't make any sense. cbayer Jul 2014 #33

It was contested for years. They allowed trees but mangers were declared religious. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #34

Politicians okasha Jul 2014 #36

You've been gone too long if you forgot alternate side of the street parking. rug Jul 2014 #46

Lol. That is why I had a car for only a few months in Manhattan. cbayer Jul 2014 #52

I love all the holidays Dorian Gray Aug 2014 #83

I've always thought that alternate side of the street parking is responsible for rug Aug 2014 #89

I never understood people who chose to have a car in NYC. cbayer Aug 2014 #90

Outside the city or to the outer boroughs. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #91

Well, but you probably don't park in Manhattan for long so cbayer Aug 2014 #99

They are relaxing the rules on alternate side street parking but yes it is a pain. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #100

Well, you don't want to stand on the el on the 7 line at 3 in the morning with the wind whipping you rug Aug 2014 #92

True but the 7 is now the best run line so they run trains more often at night now. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #93

Oh, good, I'll be able to survive to freeze another day. rug Aug 2014 #94

Sounds like it aas a grueling experience. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #95

I dated a cab driver when I lived in Manhattan. cbayer Aug 2014 #101

Are you Jodie Foster? rug Aug 2014 #103

No, but I have often wanted to be. cbayer Aug 2014 #104

I also don't want to be driving on the streets at that time either. cbayer Aug 2014 #98

I don't know. Manhattan is magical at 3 in the morning. rug Aug 2014 #102

I agree. cbayer Aug 2014 #105

Religious privilege certainly exists depending on the religion you practice el_bryanto Jul 2014 #13

I suppose here in NY I just don't notice it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #21

As has been said in racial and gender contexts: Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #27

Yes I can see your point. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #30

It can also be that the existence of the privilege has been grossly overstarted. rug Jul 2014 #47

Here are a few: Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #25

These are excellent points and worth keeping in mind. cbayer Jul 2014 #26

You make great points here. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #29

Native American religion is a bit anomalous in terms of privilege. okasha Jul 2014 #37

Somewhat o/t, but since you mentioned it: Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #38

Yes. It doesn't happen very often, okasha Jul 2014 #39

How long is the process? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #43

At least a year. okasha Jul 2014 #44

My parish has about a 6 month process for baptism, confirmstion, reception, and reaffirmation. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #45

Yeah I can't imagine someone claiming Native Americans have religious privilege. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #42

I can imagine at least three who would. rug Jul 2014 #48

4 actually. I see them as a group of four now. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #49

They're a colony creature. okasha Jul 2014 #53

lol. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #54

kicking. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #50

Did you all know it is not possible to have this conversation here in interfaith. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #55

What's the rationale behind that argument? el_bryanto Aug 2014 #57

I think so. We can't possibly use our thinking caps to tackle the issue. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #58

They come over and look around el_bryanto Aug 2014 #59

I went there to defend a member but it didn't work out and I won't go back at all. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #60

I'm going to address this in defense of the person who said it. cbayer Aug 2014 #61

Well that may have been his point but he could easily have looked at the debate hrmjustin Aug 2014 #62

Privilege is so multifactorial. cbayer Aug 2014 #63

Agreed! hrmjustin Aug 2014 #64

I can see that argument, but it would be difficult to have this discussion over there el_bryanto Aug 2014 #65

They don't seem to view that choice okasha Aug 2014 #66

Well - Self Indulgence might not be the best word el_bryanto Aug 2014 #69

I think it has turned into a sport now. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #72

I was not really suggesting that it should be discussed in the religion group, cbayer Aug 2014 #67

Ah no - I understood what you meant el_bryanto Aug 2014 #68

That may be the case, but you are certainly under no obligation to cbayer Aug 2014 #70

Yes while some would honestly discuss it others would just cause issues. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #71

I get there is religious privilege in this nation. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #73

Thoughts on the recent doings in religion about religious entitlement here? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #74

It is a complicated question el_bryanto Aug 2014 #84

The hides can always be debated but I think sometimes they post things in AA thinking everyone gets hrmjustin Aug 2014 #85

kicking. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #75

Quote-mining safe havens is the result of privilege. rug Aug 2014 #76

Yeah I thought they had a rule on that. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #77

Oh, yes: "Like asking Klan members if White privilege exists or not." rug Aug 2014 #78

But we are the bad guys because we are mean and defend ourselves. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #79

Oh, the shame! rug Aug 2014 #80

Well rug I guess we should just run to the other room and beg for forgiveness. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #81

Yeah I noticed that one too el_bryanto Aug 2014 #86

In the real world? Dorian Gray Aug 2014 #82

You can't get a straight answer over in the other group. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #87

so much for religious privilege. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #88

Did somebody post the jury results on Htom's poll? stone space Aug 2014 #96

no I was told over a pm. I deleted the results so I don't have them. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #97

Btw I am sorry your post got hidden. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #106

I don't know - i hate to say it - but while a tit for tat situation certainly applies el_bryanto Aug 2014 #111

I notice that even in AA now there is a post that is suggesting things have gotten a bit weird here. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #107

And of course it was met with what I expected. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #108

Can't say I'm too surprised. stone space Aug 2014 #109

And they all know the poster and treated him like he was an outcast. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #110

Excommunication: it isn't just for Catholics anymore. okasha Aug 2014 #112

I love that scene. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #113

I love that whole movie. okasha Aug 2014 #114

I have another one. rug Aug 2014 #115