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thesquanderer

(12,394 posts)
16. Seriously?
Wed Mar 11, 2020, 09:52 AM
Mar 2020

I guess you can believe what you want rather than, you know, looking at the numbers, but if truth matters, see...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Look at every single 2016 poll where each was polled head-to-head against Trump... Sanders did better than Clinton on 27 out of the 28 polls, and almost always by 5 or more points (and as much as 12 points).

In fact, not only did Sanders poll MUCH better against Trump than Clinton did; but it's a much bigger difference than the difference in how Sanders or Biden would do against Trump today, as you can see by comparing these:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-6250.html

I understand differences of opinion, but I am baffled by the refusal to acknowledge even easily checkable facts. But as they say, don't let facts get in the way...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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What did he do last time? Squinch Mar 2020 #1
At least one big difference this time... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #14
Sure they did. Squinch Mar 2020 #15
Seriously? thesquanderer Mar 2020 #16
Yes, seriously. In your source, there are just as many polls taken in the Spring in which Squinch Mar 2020 #24
I think you're mis-reading the info at those links. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #25
re: "You know he would have faced those same forces, right?" thesquanderer Mar 2020 #28
March 17 is AZ, OH, IL, and FL primaries. I think he wants to do the debate, but if hlthe2b Mar 2020 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Mar 2020 #3
Interestingly, they seem to have rejected HIM rather than his "socialist agenda" thesquanderer Mar 2020 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author democratisphere Mar 2020 #5
I hope he withdraws el_bryanto Mar 2020 #8
Good point. Sanders' policy prescriptions are broadly popular, but many voters don't believe he's sop Mar 2020 #12
I have not rejected his democratic socialist agenda. MoonchildCA Mar 2020 #11
It's not a 'socialist agenda'. It's a 'European agenda'. pampango Mar 2020 #29
this is a given, sanders will not drop out period,as long as he has people beachbumbob Mar 2020 #6
The vast majority of "sanders followers" voted for Hillary in November. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #9
Would love to see Sen. Sanders see this through to the convention Devil Child Mar 2020 #7
There is an argument to be made for giving people every chance to make their voices heard, but... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #10
What a surprise. HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #17
You seem easily surprised! Devil Child Mar 2020 #18
Not really. HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #19
Shame on you child. n/t rzemanfl Mar 2020 #27
Can you add "Dragged from the convention kicking and screaming"? n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #13
Continue to raise tens of millions so he will have a war chest to fund primary grantcart Mar 2020 #20
I"m not sure that suspending his campaign would have any impact... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #21
Supporters would be more willing to give money if he props up the illusion grantcart Mar 2020 #23
I selected "did not wish to select any of the options provided." W_HAMILTON Mar 2020 #22
Agreed. The "scorched earth" philosophy among his top campaign staff members didn't "just happen"... NurseJackie Mar 2020 #31
This didn't age well. Squinch Mar 2020 #26
Same as last time. I have no reason to believe otherwise. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #30
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