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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Does anyone care about the debate between Biden and Sanders? [View all]Gothmog
(155,302 posts)106. If sanders stays in much longer, he will lose leverage
sanders not dropping out may help Biden. sanders keeps on losing primaries by large margins nnly strenghten's Joe's position https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/11/no-surprise-bernie-sanders-is-still-all-about-himself-never-party/
Sanderss remaining in the race should serve several salutary purposes for the party and the country. First, seeing him lose overwhelmingly week after week will dispel the notion that the Democratic Party has moved left, or that he is in a dominant position to negotiate with the overwhelming winner. Its not clear why the Biden camp should give Sanders anything.
Second, it is good to keep Biden in fighting form, continuing to boost turnout and showing, as he did in Philadelphia, how presidential he is. Biden can pivot to the general election, essentially ignoring Sanders. (His planned speech on the coronavirus is the perfect opportunity to leave Sanders out of the discussion entirely.)....
Whoever is to replace Sanders as the standard-bearer for the left hopefully someone as smart and wonky as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) will need to learn how to win elections. (Hint: It is not by scaring voters or attaching oneself to the socialist label.) When in office, a new generation of leaders on the left will need to learn the art of deal-making rather than waste years, as Sanders has, rabble-rousing but accomplishing nothing. Unlike Sanders, Warren (or whoever else takes the reins) will not be burdened by a record of reflexively praising dictators nor be driven to attack fellow Democrats.
Sanders will end the race at some point, a diminished figure. In retrospect, his wins in 2016 will be seen more as an anti-Hillary Clinton vote than a pro-Sanders vote. How he behaves at Sundays debate will determine whether he leaves a bad taste in the mouths of Democrats.
Second, it is good to keep Biden in fighting form, continuing to boost turnout and showing, as he did in Philadelphia, how presidential he is. Biden can pivot to the general election, essentially ignoring Sanders. (His planned speech on the coronavirus is the perfect opportunity to leave Sanders out of the discussion entirely.)....
Whoever is to replace Sanders as the standard-bearer for the left hopefully someone as smart and wonky as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) will need to learn how to win elections. (Hint: It is not by scaring voters or attaching oneself to the socialist label.) When in office, a new generation of leaders on the left will need to learn the art of deal-making rather than waste years, as Sanders has, rabble-rousing but accomplishing nothing. Unlike Sanders, Warren (or whoever else takes the reins) will not be burdened by a record of reflexively praising dictators nor be driven to attack fellow Democrats.
Sanders will end the race at some point, a diminished figure. In retrospect, his wins in 2016 will be seen more as an anti-Hillary Clinton vote than a pro-Sanders vote. How he behaves at Sundays debate will determine whether he leaves a bad taste in the mouths of Democrats.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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It is. Last campaign. Last debate. Last dance. Last chance for romance to night.
NurseJackie
Mar 2020
#19
He thought Tuesday was going to be his big comeback. Now he hopes the debate will do it?
C Moon
Mar 2020
#44
No.. don't care..don't want to hear sanders spout off about anything..he should drop out!
Thekaspervote
Mar 2020
#2
Me too. I hope it gives Biden a chance to lay out his pragmatic and progressive policies and to
emmaverybo
Mar 2020
#4
Same...although it also gives the Trump camp an idea how to prepare for Biden
Awsi Dooger
Mar 2020
#17
I'm not at all interested. We have heard from both of them. We know where they stand.
TryLogic
Mar 2020
#13
If Trump isn't enough to convince someone to vote for the Democratic nominee, then NOTHING will
still_one
Mar 2020
#30
If Biden and Sanders were diametrically opposed, maybe. I'm looking for a good Democrat ...
marble falls
Mar 2020
#74
This debate will do NOTHING but hurt our chances of winning in November.
Ferrets are Cool
Mar 2020
#65
Wow. Just fucking wow. This is some of the most un-democratic crap I've ever witnessed.
Evolve Dammit
Mar 2020
#71
No, what's undemocratic is trying to divide the Democratic party when you know you can't win
Happyhippychick
Mar 2020
#89
No, 2 Dems debating is not what is dividing the party. One independent refusing to accept reality is
Happyhippychick
Mar 2020
#92
If Joe can't deal with a debate with Bernie then we are in fucking trouble. Nt
USALiberal
Mar 2020
#94
What are you really concerned about? I'm not worried, I just think it's pointless and divisive.
Happyhippychick
Mar 2020
#95
Prep for what? He's going to be the nominee. He has been in gov't for decades. You think one
Happyhippychick
Mar 2020
#97
NO. These two need to work out their differences and get back to us. What does Joe want from
Kashkakat v.2.0
Mar 2020
#75
No not really interested. I have heard all of Bernie's big plans a hundred times but
doc03
Mar 2020
#76
Nope, cuz it doesn't change anything for Sanders. The math is what the math is. n/t
Tarheel_Dem
Mar 2020
#81
Bidden is a great streetfighter and Trump is a bully who folds like a cheap suit if he's directly ..
marble falls
Mar 2020
#107