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In reply to the discussion: Sanders's secret is out: He has no movement - The Washington Post [View all]Gothmog
(154,590 posts)103. The Gauzy Myth of the Sanders Campaign
I never considered sanders to be a serious candidate. sanders has zero major legislative accomplishments in large part because none of his fellow Democrats in Congress support his agenda. I do not understand the concept of a voter revolution . Without such a magical voter revolution, none of sanders' agenda could be adopted and I am not comfortable in relying on a magical voter revolution
I am not only one to doubt the seriousness of sanders as a candidate https://newrepublic.com/article/156883/gauzy-myth-sanders-campaign
After Tuesday night, the undeniable truth is that the entire Sanders campaign was predicated on a gauzy myth. If there were ever hidden armies of would-be Democratic voters yearning for a visionary presidential nominee uncontaminated by the compromises of life, then these Bernie Brigades still remain well camouflaged.
Sure, as Sanders stressed in his Wednesday statement, some of his policies are popular with primary voters. In Michigan, exit polls showed that replacing private health insurance with a government program had the support of nearly 60 percent of the people who went to the polls on Tuesday. But since the February 29 South Carolina primary, most Democratic primary voters have been unwilling to buy the entire Sanders package: politically unattainable goals, such as canceling $1.6 trillion in college debt, combined with attacks on corporate interests and the billionaire class.
After Sanderss two presidential runs, voters possess a pretty clear-eyed sense of who he is. He is a gadfly, a goad, and a left-wing Pied Piper. These can be valuable traits in politics since the moderate, accommodationist wing of the Democratic Party sometimes needs outside pressure to force it to focus on causes larger than the next election. But Sanders was never cut out to be a traditional president forging alliances, brokering compromises, and dealing with the messiness of governing in a bitterly divided democracy. That simply isnt Bernies skill set. And his lifelong rigidity would have become an even larger governing problem if he ever succeeded Trump as president.
What Democratic voters have created by rallying around Biden is the American equivalent of the Popular Front, which, in the 1930s, was a broad, multiparty alliance against fascism in France and other democratic countries. The exit polls from Michigan echo a sentiment found in almost all primariesvoters, by a 58-to-37 percent margin, want a candidate who can defeat Trump more than someone who agrees with them on all issues.....
Sanders will undoubtedly fight on in the hopes that he can shape the Democratic platform. The problem with that strategy is that, even if Biden were to commit to supporting, say, Medicare for All, as a price for party harmony in Milwaukee, it would be a meaningless pledge. Currently, fewer than one-third of the Democrats in the Senate support eliminating private insurance. And if Chuck Schumer succeeds in getting the chamber back in Democratic hands, the new additions to their ranks are likely to be moderates like John Hickenlooper of Colorado, Mark Kelly of Arizona, and Steve Bullock of Montana, none of whom support Medicare for All.
Sure, as Sanders stressed in his Wednesday statement, some of his policies are popular with primary voters. In Michigan, exit polls showed that replacing private health insurance with a government program had the support of nearly 60 percent of the people who went to the polls on Tuesday. But since the February 29 South Carolina primary, most Democratic primary voters have been unwilling to buy the entire Sanders package: politically unattainable goals, such as canceling $1.6 trillion in college debt, combined with attacks on corporate interests and the billionaire class.
After Sanderss two presidential runs, voters possess a pretty clear-eyed sense of who he is. He is a gadfly, a goad, and a left-wing Pied Piper. These can be valuable traits in politics since the moderate, accommodationist wing of the Democratic Party sometimes needs outside pressure to force it to focus on causes larger than the next election. But Sanders was never cut out to be a traditional president forging alliances, brokering compromises, and dealing with the messiness of governing in a bitterly divided democracy. That simply isnt Bernies skill set. And his lifelong rigidity would have become an even larger governing problem if he ever succeeded Trump as president.
What Democratic voters have created by rallying around Biden is the American equivalent of the Popular Front, which, in the 1930s, was a broad, multiparty alliance against fascism in France and other democratic countries. The exit polls from Michigan echo a sentiment found in almost all primariesvoters, by a 58-to-37 percent margin, want a candidate who can defeat Trump more than someone who agrees with them on all issues.....
Sanders will undoubtedly fight on in the hopes that he can shape the Democratic platform. The problem with that strategy is that, even if Biden were to commit to supporting, say, Medicare for All, as a price for party harmony in Milwaukee, it would be a meaningless pledge. Currently, fewer than one-third of the Democrats in the Senate support eliminating private insurance. And if Chuck Schumer succeeds in getting the chamber back in Democratic hands, the new additions to their ranks are likely to be moderates like John Hickenlooper of Colorado, Mark Kelly of Arizona, and Steve Bullock of Montana, none of whom support Medicare for All.
There was never going to be a magical voter revolution and there was never any substance to sanders' campaign or any chance that sanders' agenda would be adopted in the real world
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Jennifer Rubin is a right-winger who accused Obama of siding with the "Muslim World" over the US.
DanTex
Mar 2020
#1
Well...it is # of delegates is what counts, not how many votes, to win nomination.
at140
Mar 2020
#12
I'm sure we'll find out in time, exactly who thought up that hair-brained plan, but it was at best
OnDoutside
Mar 2020
#16
This is an interesting comment on Senator Warren by Krugman. I regret that I will...
NNadir
Mar 2020
#36
" Jennifer Rubin is an American conservative columnist who writes the "Right Turn" blog for
pampango
Mar 2020
#20
I don't go to liberal sites to play the 'show me where this conservative is wrong' game.
pampango
Mar 2020
#75
I try not to respond when someone posts an article from a conservative and then expects me to agree
pampango
Mar 2020
#76
The point of posting conservative's opinion to a liberal board in the hope that liberals would agree
pampango
Mar 2020
#87
If you consider "ad hominem" to include refusing to acknowledge "Yeah, this conservative is
pampango
Mar 2020
#88
I am 'attacking' the idea of posting conservative's opinion pieces to a liberal site and expecting
pampango
Mar 2020
#94
LOL. That's rich coming from a regular poster of the Democrat-hating Jacobin articles.
ehrnst
Mar 2020
#54
i call BULL on that. she is on msnbc all the sound and she does not sound like a right winger
trueblue2007
Mar 2020
#112
You post Jacobin articles, and they have trashed the Democratic party - CURRENTLY -
ehrnst
Mar 2020
#52
Cenk's GOP past misogyny isn't an issue for you now since Bernie endorsed him...
ehrnst
Mar 2020
#62
MSM has really been taken in. They propped up the idea of a non-existent revolution and a
emmaverybo
Mar 2020
#10
i always wondered why he waited until 2016 to start this all important 'movement'
samnsara
Mar 2020
#11
Thank you Gothmog. The voters spoke in 18 and are speaking again. Big NO to our revolution
Thekaspervote
Mar 2020
#32
He began his career at the University of Chicago in 1962 with a segration protest
LiberalFighter
Mar 2020
#46
He didn't get noticed until he did that 8 1/2 hour filibuster in 2010 & put out a book about it.
Scurrilous
Mar 2020
#71
I was watching that during the last debate - Biden looked about 2 inches taller.
George II
Mar 2020
#44
Just because Bernie is not going to the White House doesn't mean he's not needed in the Senate.
marble falls
Mar 2020
#24
Sources more hateful than Rubin has been (especially lately) are praised here on DU.
ehrnst
Mar 2020
#60
i literally joined like an hour ago so idk what the precedent here is for bad sources
FrozenMoonage
Mar 2020
#65
The assessment of Sanders' demeanor has been made by others, including his workers, for years.
ehrnst
Mar 2020
#72
I can't see myself being able to tolerate being scolded nonstop for the next four years.
calimary
Mar 2020
#70
I think it will live on as a purity testing service named The Bernie Center for Progressive Politics
dalton99a
Mar 2020
#89
LOL Then sanders needs to say in the primary and lose some more primaries by large margins
Gothmog
Mar 2020
#99