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Gothmog

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103. The Gauzy Myth of the Sanders Campaign
Thu Mar 12, 2020, 06:55 PM
Mar 2020

I never considered sanders to be a serious candidate. sanders has zero major legislative accomplishments in large part because none of his fellow Democrats in Congress support his agenda. I do not understand the concept of a voter revolution . Without such a magical voter revolution, none of sanders' agenda could be adopted and I am not comfortable in relying on a magical voter revolution

I am not only one to doubt the seriousness of sanders as a candidate https://newrepublic.com/article/156883/gauzy-myth-sanders-campaign

After Tuesday night, the undeniable truth is that the entire Sanders campaign was predicated on a gauzy myth. If there were ever hidden armies of would-be Democratic voters yearning for a visionary presidential nominee uncontaminated by the compromises of life, then these Bernie Brigades still remain well camouflaged.

Sure, as Sanders stressed in his Wednesday statement, some of his policies are popular with primary voters. In Michigan, exit polls showed that replacing private health insurance with a government program had the support of nearly 60 percent of the people who went to the polls on Tuesday. But since the February 29 South Carolina primary, most Democratic primary voters have been unwilling to buy the entire Sanders package: politically unattainable goals, such as canceling $1.6 trillion in college debt, combined with attacks on corporate interests and the “billionaire class.

After Sanders’s two presidential runs, voters possess a pretty clear-eyed sense of who he is. He is a gadfly, a goad, and a left-wing Pied Piper. These can be valuable traits in politics since the moderate, accommodationist wing of the Democratic Party sometimes needs outside pressure to force it to focus on causes larger than the next election. But Sanders was never cut out to be a traditional president forging alliances, brokering compromises, and dealing with the messiness of governing in a bitterly divided democracy. That simply isn’t Bernie’s skill set. And his lifelong rigidity would have become an even larger governing problem if he ever succeeded Trump as president.

What Democratic voters have created by rallying around Biden is the American equivalent of the Popular Front, which, in the 1930s, was a broad, multiparty alliance against fascism in France and other democratic countries. The exit polls from Michigan echo a sentiment found in almost all primaries—voters, by a 58-to-37 percent margin, want a candidate who can defeat Trump more than someone who agrees with them on all issues.....

Sanders will undoubtedly fight on in the hopes that he can shape the Democratic platform. The problem with that strategy is that, even if Biden were to commit to supporting, say, Medicare for All, as a price for party harmony in Milwaukee, it would be a meaningless pledge. Currently, fewer than one-third of the Democrats in the Senate support eliminating private insurance. And if Chuck Schumer succeeds in getting the chamber back in Democratic hands, the new additions to their ranks are likely to be moderates like John Hickenlooper of Colorado, Mark Kelly of Arizona, and Steve Bullock of Montana, none of whom support Medicare for All.

There was never going to be a magical voter revolution and there was never any substance to sanders' campaign or any chance that sanders' agenda would be adopted in the real world
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Jennifer Rubin is a right-winger who accused Obama of siding with the "Muslim World" over the US. DanTex Mar 2020 #1
Bernie's grievance politics consolidated the left to a 30% losing minority Gothmog Mar 2020 #2
Sanders lost badly by votes in each state at140 Mar 2020 #5
That's only because of the apportionment of the Dem race delegates. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #6
Well...it is # of delegates is what counts, not how many votes, to win nomination. at140 Mar 2020 #12
Exactly...the Electoral College of the Democratic Primaries ! OnDoutside Mar 2020 #14
Sanders' campaign plan to win the nomination with only 30% of the vote Gothmog Mar 2020 #13
I'm sure we'll find out in time, exactly who thought up that hair-brained plan, but it was at best OnDoutside Mar 2020 #16
From day 1, Bernie built a campaign to appeal to 30% Gothmog Mar 2020 #19
But mistakenly assumed it was much, much bigger.. Nader made the same mistake. ehrnst Mar 2020 #61
The loonier fringe of self-proclaimed "progressives" Aquaria Mar 2020 #67
Lots of luck with that at140 Mar 2020 #18
I wonder if it makes sense to them now? Cha Mar 2020 #53
How do you demand concessions when you're getting the brake beat off of you? Gothmog Mar 2020 #110
They try but they ain't gonna Cha Mar 2020 #111
It made sense... Aquaria Mar 2020 #66
The what? Do you understand how delegates are assigned at all? LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #38
What Krugman said about Warren was 100% correct and also applies to Harris. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #8
This is an interesting comment on Senator Warren by Krugman. I regret that I will... NNadir Mar 2020 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Mar 2020 #51
That doesn't mean she's wrong about Bernie. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #9
" Jennifer Rubin is an American conservative columnist who writes the "Right Turn" blog for pampango Mar 2020 #20
Right, left, in between ..please point out where she is wrong Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #29
I don't go to liberal sites to play the 'show me where this conservative is wrong' game. pampango Mar 2020 #75
I hear tell Cenk Ugur is now a liberal... along with Joe Rogan. ehrnst Mar 2020 #83
I said this when Iowa voted, and NH voted. ahoysrcsm Mar 2020 #104
Jacobin hates the Democratic Party more than Rubin, and they get LOTS of shares ehrnst Mar 2020 #57
any response to her points? treestar Mar 2020 #74
I try not to respond when someone posts an article from a conservative and then expects me to agree pampango Mar 2020 #76
a point does not change no matter who makes it treestar Mar 2020 #78
The point of posting conservative's opinion to a liberal board in the hope that liberals would agree pampango Mar 2020 #87
That hole need not be fulfilled treestar Mar 2020 #96
So it's still just ad hominem, and not an actual refutation of what she said. ehrnst Mar 2020 #84
If you consider "ad hominem" to include refusing to acknowledge "Yeah, this conservative is pampango Mar 2020 #88
Here is the defintion of ad hominem ehrnst Mar 2020 #92
I am 'attacking' the idea of posting conservative's opinion pieces to a liberal site and expecting pampango Mar 2020 #94
I suppose you don't trust Warren as a liberal or a Democrat, either? ehrnst Mar 2020 #97
Before Jennifer Rubin became a NeverTrumper, I disagreed with Sloumeau Mar 2020 #26
LOL DanTex Mar 2020 #27
Again instead of LOL, point out where she is wrong Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #30
She's a woman, who is critiquing Bernie. ehrnst Mar 2020 #55
She's right about Bernie, that we know. IluvPitties Mar 2020 #47
LOL. That's rich coming from a regular poster of the Democrat-hating Jacobin articles. ehrnst Mar 2020 #54
She maybe be.. point to where she is wrong Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #28
Rubin's politics have swung 180 degrees since November 2016. George II Mar 2020 #39
LOL. No they haven't. She's still a right-winger. DanTex Mar 2020 #41
But you just can't articulate how this woman is actually wrong in this article. ehrnst Mar 2020 #58
Yes.. by all means keep the thread kicked.. Cha Mar 2020 #108
LOL. You certainly assumed that Cenk's GOP RW views have.... ehrnst Mar 2020 #81
i call BULL on that. she is on msnbc all the sound and she does not sound like a right winger trueblue2007 Mar 2020 #112
awwww.. a woman called your "revolution" small NCProgressive Mar 2020 #40
LOL NYMinute Mar 2020 #43
Bravo!!! ehrnst Mar 2020 #56
You post Jacobin articles, and they have trashed the Democratic party - CURRENTLY - ehrnst Mar 2020 #52
Cenk's GOP past misogyny isn't an issue for you now since Bernie endorsed him... ehrnst Mar 2020 #62
that does not make her wrong here treestar Mar 2020 #73
But an anti-semite is OK? ehrnst Mar 2020 #100
Women are rejecting Sanders Gothmog Mar 2020 #102
Kick & recommended. William769 Mar 2020 #3
Metamucil might help. nt Xipe Totec Mar 2020 #4
Yup,extra large glass full. Wellstone ruled Mar 2020 #7
MSM has really been taken in. They propped up the idea of a non-existent revolution and a emmaverybo Mar 2020 #10
i always wondered why he waited until 2016 to start this all important 'movement' samnsara Mar 2020 #11
sanders pushed his theory in 2018 but no one paid attention to it Gothmog Mar 2020 #17
Thank you Gothmog. The voters spoke in 18 and are speaking again. Big NO to our revolution Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #32
He began his career at the University of Chicago in 1962 with a segration protest LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #46
Yes, that hotbed of civil rights activism, rural Vermont. ehrnst Mar 2020 #63
He didn't get noticed until he did that 8 1/2 hour filibuster in 2010 & put out a book about it. Scurrilous Mar 2020 #71
very true. Maybe it was opportunistic in that Hillary didn't have treestar Mar 2020 #80
But revolutions are cool dalton99a Mar 2020 #15
The Gauzy Myth of the Sanders Campaign Gothmog Mar 2020 #103
Both candidates claim to be 6-feet tall. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #21
I was watching that during the last debate - Biden looked about 2 inches taller. George II Mar 2020 #44
Sanders has a stoop NYMinute Mar 2020 #45
Yes, & it makes him look his full age Hekate Mar 2020 #50
Sanders is not a Democrat MiniMe Mar 2020 #22
his movement is online hoax inflated by russian intelligence service AlexSFCA Mar 2020 #23
Just because Bernie is not going to the White House doesn't mean he's not needed in the Senate. marble falls Mar 2020 #24
Jennifer Rubin aikoaiko Mar 2020 #25
Like her or not... point to where are article is wrong...I will wait Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #33
I did - her premise. aikoaiko Mar 2020 #35
Her premise is supported by the data. ehrnst Mar 2020 #82
I don't think so. aikoaiko Mar 2020 #85
About that... ehrnst Mar 2020 #93
When I used the word more I meant "increase in number" aikoaiko Mar 2020 #95
Well, Cenk and Joe Rogan sure got some cheers here on DU for their recent words ehrnst Mar 2020 #64
Beautiful. n/t. NNadir Mar 2020 #31
She's spot on HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #34
Kick burrowowl Mar 2020 #37
The cat's out of the bag. betsuni Mar 2020 #42
lol.. oooops. Cha Mar 2020 #107
Jennifer Rubin is a terrible person to take advice from FrozenMoonage Mar 2020 #48
Sources more hateful than Rubin has been (especially lately) are praised here on DU. ehrnst Mar 2020 #60
i literally joined like an hour ago so idk what the precedent here is for bad sources FrozenMoonage Mar 2020 #65
The assessment of Sanders' demeanor has been made by others, including his workers, for years. ehrnst Mar 2020 #72
+1 dalton99a Mar 2020 #79
As you can see, the Bernie hate is strong on site. Rilgin Mar 2020 #98
Her loathsome positions on other issues have ZERO bearing Aquaria Mar 2020 #68
Thanks, Gothmog Hekate Mar 2020 #49
She is right about Sander's supporters Legends303 Mar 2020 #59
Yep! Cha Mar 2020 #109
K&R Tarheel_Dem Mar 2020 #69
I can't see myself being able to tolerate being scolded nonstop for the next four years. calimary Mar 2020 #70
I tried to tell y'all that ages ago Blue_Tires Mar 2020 #77
His movement is swirling the drain... so to speak. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #86
I think it will live on as a purity testing service named The Bernie Center for Progressive Politics dalton99a Mar 2020 #89
Heaven help us. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #90
Sounds like a lot of conservative wishful thinking to me. BComplex Mar 2020 #91
LOL Then sanders needs to say in the primary and lose some more primaries by large margins Gothmog Mar 2020 #99
The Establishment Didn't Destroy Bernie Sanders-He destroyed himself. Gothmog Mar 2020 #101
Retweeted! TY Goth.. this is a killer read! Cha Mar 2020 #105
Sanders never could do anything BUT "destroy" the chimera Hortensis Mar 2020 #115
The Democratic Party does not live on social media nor does it favor bomb-throwers Cha Mar 2020 #106
K&R onetexan Mar 2020 #113
Hey Aloha, onetexan! Cha Mar 2020 #114
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