Democratic Primaries

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts) Fri Mar 20, 2020, 12:06 PM Mar 2020

Most Nominees don't pick a former primary opponent as VP [View all]

Sure Obama did but that is the exception not the rule.

Trump picked Pence who didn't run in the GOP primaries in 16.
Bush II picked Cheney.
Clinton picked Gore.
Bush I picked Quayle.
Carter picked Mondale.
Nixon picked Agnew.
Eisenhower picked Nixon.

Going back almost 70 years there only 3 cases of a nominee picking a former primary opponent as VP, Johnson in 60, Bush in 80 and Biden in 08. More than twice as many times, they picked someone who didn't run against them in the primaries.

Now Biden might but it I wouldn't advise anyone to expect it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Most Nominees don't pick a former primary opponent as VP [View all] Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 OP

Correction. LisaM Mar 2020 #1

LOL :-) Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #8

Thank you.Bush should have known right then that there was going to be trouble. oldsoftie Mar 2020 #12

Dubya should've known Todd79 Mar 2020 #49

As Ann Richards said: MyOwnPeace Mar 2020 #87

I will never forget that burn. :-D n/t nolawarlock Mar 2020 #405

All bets are off. Do not agree. Biden will do what is best for the times and the people. Nt Ninga Mar 2020 #2

There didn't used to be women candidates LisaM Mar 2020 #5

Yep! Ninga Mar 2020 #7

Biden needs to do what will help him win Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #6

And thats ALL that matters at this point oldsoftie Mar 2020 #13

not a normal year handmade34 Mar 2020 #3

You forgot Bartlet/Hoynes. William769 Mar 2020 #4

I've been repeatedly attacked because ... left-of-center2012 Mar 2020 #9

Biden must choose a VP who will help him win Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #10

This is absolutely correct. Sloumeau Mar 2020 #11

Bill Clinton did, too StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #14

Gore didn't run in 92 Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #15

You're right. I was mistaken StarfishSaver Mar 2020 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Tumbulu Mar 2020 #52

Gore was a former Presidential candidate though. He ran first in 1988. It was big news TeamPooka Mar 2020 #16

Yes he didn't run against Clinton Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #19

He needs a running mate who can help add a swing state. The electoral college is what matters. Skya Rhen Mar 2020 #17

Exactly nt Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #20

I don't want anyone who has made disparaging remarks about Joe LakeArenal Mar 2020 #116

So true - we don't need video clips of of such disparaging remarks running 24/7 during the GE. No Skya Rhen Mar 2020 #329

I think that could be a big plus for Klobuchar. lastlib Mar 2020 #363

It's an interesting observation bucolic_frolic Mar 2020 #18

You didn't mention quite a few Polybius Mar 2020 #21

Yes Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #25

Why not? Polybius Mar 2020 #35

Losers aren't as relevant Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #39

You have to mention them because your OP doesn't make exception Polybius Mar 2020 #43

Losers aren't relevant Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #47

It's your OP so that's your call, but it still means your subject line is in error. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #50

Big deal Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #55

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Mar 2020 #149

OK you have a point Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #157

I hear ya! H2O Man Mar 2020 #226

Then say so in your OP Polybius Mar 2020 #53

Please Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #56

It's an out an out lie Polybius Mar 2020 #274

I agree. He's moving the goal posts from his original post. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #58

classic goal post moving. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #57

No Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #59

Yes wyldwolf Mar 2020 #61

Please stop posting misinformation Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #63

Learn history wyldwolf Mar 2020 #66

Still irrelevant to the OP Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #68

Only in that I didn't stick to your "70 year" limit. And your later arguments were false wyldwolf Mar 2020 #70

Thanks again for proving my point Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #72

Anyone reading knows you're point hasn't been proven. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #73

Again Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #75

Again wyldwolf Mar 2020 #76

Then prove me wrong Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #81

I already have. Everyone read: wyldwolf Mar 2020 #84

Then prove me wrong Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #82

I already have wyldwolf Mar 2020 #85

No you haven't Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #89

yes I have. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #91

25% is less then 75% Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #93

of course it is, but 25% isn't the exception to the rule wyldwolf Mar 2020 #95

OK Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #97

How can quoting your post be "playing semantic games?" wyldwolf Mar 2020 #100

Please Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #102

"75% is 3x more than 25%" but it isn't "the exception to the rule." wyldwolf Mar 2020 #103

More semantics games Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #108

You don't know the definition of "exception to the rule." wyldwolf Mar 2020 #110

Thanks again Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #113

quoting you isn't "semantic games." wyldwolf Mar 2020 #117

Yes it is Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #119

No it isn't. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #126

Yes it is Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #129

No it isn't. And happy to 'kick' for the entertainment of others. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #131

Great! Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #133

It is great. And also entertaining. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #134

Good Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #136

It is good. Always good to disprove a goal post mover. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #141

I'm not the one moving goal posts here Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #143

Here are you goal post moves wyldwolf Mar 2020 #145

No I used a 70 year time frame Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #148

you've repeatedly denied you used a 70 year time frame. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #150

Yes I used a 70 year time frame Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #154

but you've repeatedly denied it. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #156

I never set a limit Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #160

you did in your OP wyldwolf Mar 2020 #162

Nope Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #167

yep wyldwolf Mar 2020 #172

Well? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #174

I've never said you used a word limit. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #175

Agreed I never used the word limit Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #182

why are you referring to a 'word limit' then? wyldwolf Mar 2020 #185

Are you now denying that you accused me of setting a limit? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #192

I am denying I said you used a word limit, yes. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #193

Yes you did Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #209

neither of your links say I said you set a 'word' limit wyldwolf Mar 2020 #211

Stop playing dishonest games Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #215

I'm not. Quoting you isn't being dishonest wyldwolf Mar 2020 #216

So then quote me Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #218

I already have. Multiple times. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #220

No you haven't Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #223

I haven't said you've used the word limit. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #225

Yes you have Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #227

Give me a direct quote by me saying you used a 'word limit.' wyldwolf Mar 2020 #229

Right here Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #232

Right. Your OP set a 70 year limit, not a word limit. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #233

No it didn't Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #235

yes it does, and please point out where I said anything about a word limit. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #238

It doesn't Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #240

It does. And where have I mentioned any "word" limit? wyldwolf Mar 2020 #241

Please stop playing these games Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #244

Where have I said you set a word limit? Quote me. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #246

I never did Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #252

you keep saying you didn't use a 'word' limit. No one has said you did. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #254

Please Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #256

Please wyldwolf Mar 2020 #257

More games Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #259

You call them 'games.' I call them your direct quotes. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #261

They are games Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #263

directly quoting you isn't a game. It's fun, though. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #265

You're not directly quoting me Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #267

yes I am. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #269

No you are not Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #272

Directly quoting you isn't a silly game. It's fun, though. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #275

But you're not directly quoting me Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #291

yes I am wyldwolf Mar 2020 #293

Nope you are not Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #294

yep I am. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #296

No you're not. Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #300

Yes I am and yes I did. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #301

No you didn't. Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #303

Yes I did wyldwolf Mar 2020 #305

OK Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #309

ok wyldwolf Mar 2020 #312

I probably just wasted 10 minutes of my life that I'll never get back, but I'm ALSO Grown2Hate Mar 2020 #402

well catsudon Mar 2020 #22

This is not a normal year pinkstarburst Mar 2020 #23

True he might Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #28

This isn't a normal election season. Anything could happen. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #26

That's what people said about a brokered convention too Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #38

With Bernie still in the mix, anything is possible. n/t zackymilly Mar 2020 #40

Yeah right Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #42

Reagan picked Bush. nt tblue37 Mar 2020 #27

Obama picked Biden. nt tblue37 Mar 2020 #29

I don't care what you advise, lol. I 100% expect it to be Harris. MrsCoffee Mar 2020 #30

And if it isn't? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #31

It's Harris because she is high profile on national stage, boosts AA turnout and is charismatic wishstar Mar 2020 #41

Can she help flip a swing state? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #48

Kerry picked Edwards in 2004. (nt) nsd Mar 2020 #32

took 32 replies to point that out. WOW. nt. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #33

I mentioned it in post 21 Polybius Mar 2020 #45

Kerry lost Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #36

And? Polybius Mar 2020 #44

And if I included losers Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #46

Well we have three winners and only one loser over the past 60 years or so Polybius Mar 2020 #51

3 out of 10 Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #54

Wrong Polybius Mar 2020 #273

Maybe/Maybe not Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #278

Sure Polybius Mar 2020 #282

Never said that it was a bad thing Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #289

Gotcha Polybius Mar 2020 #403

FDR choose primary opponent John Nance Garner wyldwolf Mar 2020 #34

So? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #37

Goal post moving aside... wyldwolf Mar 2020 #60

No moving any goal posts Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #62

Perhaps you don't know the definition of 'goal post moving.' wyldwolf Mar 2020 #64

Time frame is irrelevant Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #65

then why set it? And why later claim losing tickets don't count? Let's review: wyldwolf Mar 2020 #67

Thanks for proving my point! Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #69

Anyone reading knows you're point hasn't been proven. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #71

OK then post actual facts that disprove it Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #74

Your OP is clearly false. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #77

OK Then prove it false Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #79

It also said nominees picking a rival is "the exception, not the rule." wyldwolf Mar 2020 #83

OK Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #88

you're spending a lot of time on something you're so clearly wrong about. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #90

Then prove me wrong Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #92

I already have, your goal post moving aside wyldwolf Mar 2020 #94

I haven't moved any goal posts Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #99

you've done it constantly wyldwolf Mar 2020 #101

Please Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #104

25% of the time isn't the "exception to the rule." wyldwolf Mar 2020 #105

Still playing silly semantics games Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #107

quoting you isn't "semantic games." wyldwolf Mar 2020 #111

Please Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #114

Please. 25% of the time isn't, to quote you "the exception to the rule." wyldwolf Mar 2020 #115

More semantics games Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #121

quoting you isn't "semantic games." wyldwolf Mar 2020 #122

Yes it is Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #124

No it isn't. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #127

Great points, although Jack Kemp was not a primary rival in 1996 Polybius Mar 2020 #404

I already have, your goal post moving aside wyldwolf Mar 2020 #78

Nice Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #80

You're goal post moving again. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #86

That's a silly gotcha point Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #96

It's a fact. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #98

No it's not Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #106

yes it is, you're goal post moving aside wyldwolf Mar 2020 #109

And where did I use the word limit? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #112

"word limit?" Who's mentioned "word limit." wyldwolf Mar 2020 #120

No as an example Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #123

Show me a link that says "primaries began in 1912." LOL wyldwolf Mar 2020 #125

Here you go Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #128

I'll quote your link wyldwolf Mar 2020 #130

In 1910, Oregon became the first state to establish a presidential preference primary Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #135

sure, but that wasn't 1912. Nor was Florida's in 1901 wyldwolf Mar 2020 #140

There was no Presidential election in 1910 or 1901 Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #146

So? There were primaries. Is your link lying? wyldwolf Mar 2020 #147

OK then please post evidence of Presidential primaries prior to 1912 Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #153

I did, using YOUR link. The link YOU gave. Should I quote again? wyldwolf Mar 2020 #155

Enacted? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #159

So your link is lying? wyldwolf Mar 2020 #163

Never said it was Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #165

you're disputing your own link wyldwolf Mar 2020 #166

Not at all Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #168

yes you are wyldwolf Mar 2020 #170

Nope Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #173

You've lost faith in your link wyldwolf Mar 2020 #176

Not at all Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #181

apparently so. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #183

Nope Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #189

yep wyldwolf Mar 2020 #191

No Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #196

yes wyldwolf Mar 2020 #198

No Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #203

Yes wyldwolf Mar 2020 #205

No Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #206

It was your link, not mine. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #208

And the link never says that primaries were held prior to 1912 Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #210

yes it does. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #212

Show where it does Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #213

I already have. Multiple times. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #214

No you haven't Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #217

yes I have. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #219

No you haven't Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #221

yes I have wyldwolf Mar 2020 #222

Claim that you have over and over Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #224

Claim that i haven't over and over wyldwolf Mar 2020 #228

No the links make it true Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #230

Exactly. Your link makes what I said true. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #231

No it doesn't Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #234

Yes it does. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #236

OK then point out where it does Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #237

I already have. Multiple times. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #239

No you haven't Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #242

yes I have multiple times. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #243

Where? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #245

Your link. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #248

Link doesn't say that Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #249

yes it does. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #251

It doesn't Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #253

It does. And I've quoted it several times. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #255

And it never says any primaries were held prior to 1912 Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #258

yes it does. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #260

No it doesn't Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #262

yes it is. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #264

Nope Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #266

yep wyldwolf Mar 2020 #268

Then show where it does Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #270

I already have. Multiple times. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #271

Then show me again Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #279

No, I already have multiple times. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #280

No you haven't Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #288

yes I have wyldwolf Mar 2020 #298

Weak comeback nt Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #315

yet stronger than all of yours. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #317

Truth is strength Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #322

which is why all your non-points have been weak. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #323

I've only made one point Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #331

one initial point, then constant goal posts moves to bolster it. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #332

No you're the one moving goal post Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #341

You started goal post moving the moment you said losing tickets didn't count. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #343

I don't think they are relevant Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #357

which only weakens your point wyldwolf Mar 2020 #358

Not a point but an observation Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #381

A point wyldwolf Mar 2020 #383

Call it what you like if it makes you happy Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #386

Thanks! Most would agree wyldwolf Mar 2020 #387

I would hope they agree with facts Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #390

Give some and we'll see. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #391

OK Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #393

You're still dodging the ridiculous claim wyldwolf Mar 2020 #396

This post counts winners and losers Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #397

Your op doesn't. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #399

But where is it factually wrong. Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #401

Save your breath, their argument is specious and kind of silly Dream Girl Mar 2020 #118

You're free to disprove my premise Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #132

That was't your premise wyldwolf Mar 2020 #138

Yes it was Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #142

it wasn't the title of your OP wyldwolf Mar 2020 #144

Yes "Most Nominees don't pick a former primary opponent as VP." Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #151

But you just said it WASN'T the title of your OP. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #152

Yes that is the title of my OP Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #158

In post #142 you said the title was something else. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #161

No I didn't Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #164

yes you did. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #169

No that is dishonest Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #171

quoting you is dishonest? wyldwolf Mar 2020 #177

Yes when you selectively edit it Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #178

A quote isn't an edit. I directly quoted you. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #180

You edited it Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #186

where? wyldwolf Mar 2020 #190

Here Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #195

No edits there. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #197

Please Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #201

Please wyldwolf Mar 2020 #204

Each election is unique treestar Mar 2020 #137

Very true Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #139

Man. This thread started dumb and just got dumber. Squinch Mar 2020 #179

You're telling me! Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #184

I lulzed. Squinch Mar 2020 #187

He called your OP dumb, and you agreed, LOL. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #194

He called the thread dumb Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #200

the OP started the thread, and is the dumbest part wyldwolf Mar 2020 #207

Just a simple observation of history Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #281

tainted by your goal post moving and caveats to lend more credence to a flawed premise. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #283

What is flawed? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #290

So a candidate who picks a primary rival but loses didn't really pick a primary rival? wyldwolf Mar 2020 #295

Never claimed that Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #297

yes you did. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #299

Here we go again Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #302

Here we go again wyldwolf Mar 2020 #304

Not denying anything Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #307

Sure you are. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #310

Nope Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #313

yep wyldwolf Mar 2020 #316

Nope Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #319

yep! And you're welcome for the kick. Happy to do it. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #321

Nope and thanks again! Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #324

Yep! And you're welcome. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #325

Nope Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #336

yep! And you're welcome. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #339

No Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #342

Yes wyldwolf Mar 2020 #344

Nope and thanks! Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #346

yes and your welcome! wyldwolf Mar 2020 #348

No Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #352

Yes wyldwolf Mar 2020 #354

Nope! Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #361

Yep! wyldwolf Mar 2020 #362

False! Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #366

True! wyldwolf Mar 2020 #369

Nope and thanks again! Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #371

Yep! And you're welcome again! wyldwolf Mar 2020 #373

No, no, no!!! Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #375

Yes, yes, yes! wyldwolf Mar 2020 #377

No! Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #378

Yes! wyldwolf Mar 2020 #379

Nada! Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #384

This message was self-deleted by its author Polybius Mar 2020 #276

yup, a dumb op by someone who can't stand to be proven wrong wyldwolf Mar 2020 #188

Where have I been proven wrong? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #199

through out the thread, which is why you've moved goal posts like these: wyldwolf Mar 2020 #202

Never moved any goal posts Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #247

Sure you did. Like "losing tickets don't count." wyldwolf Mar 2020 #250

And I still don't think they do Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #284

That's hysterical! wyldwolf Mar 2020 #285

And most nominees don't Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #287

But many do, including those who lose the GE. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #306

Yes many do Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #328

And 25% is no where near being an exception to the rule as you've contended. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #330

Still only 25% Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #333

and still nowhere near being an exception to the rule as you've contended. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #334

But it is still most Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #338

but certainly not an exception to the rule as you've contended. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #340

Still 3 times as more Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #345

but not an exception to the rule as you contended. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #347

But still most 3 times as more. Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #351

but certainly not an exception to the rule as you've contended. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #353

No that was based on responding to your post Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #364

I went back to the late 1700s wyldwolf Mar 2020 #367

What primaries were held in the late 1700s? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #388

Here Polybius Mar 2020 #277

I wasn't counting losing tickets Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #286

You moved a goal post wyldwolf Mar 2020 #308

Not at all Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #311

A complete goal post move wyldwolf Mar 2020 #314

Well before it was 30% Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #318

Why 1912? You originally said "going back 70 years." Goal post move. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #320

Last 10 elections Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #326

Why last 10 elections? Why not every election - including losing tickets? wyldwolf Mar 2020 #327

10 seemed like a nice round number Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #335

So is 12. So is 20. But 10 seemed like a number that would bolster your point best. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #337

I don't care how many you want to look at Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #349

because you know the more elections looked at, the weaker your point gets. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #350

Not a point Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #355

It was your point wyldwolf Mar 2020 #356

Really? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #359

Yes, really. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #360

So what time frame do you want to set? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #365

How about the very first election? wyldwolf Mar 2020 #370

OK Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #374

Already posted the first two wyldwolf Mar 2020 #376

Then post the rest Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #380

It's your point to prove. You're op. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #382

I've proved it here: Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #385

That wasn't proof. And you've been proved wrong. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #389

How wasn't it proof? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #392

We must have missed that in your op. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #394

Please show me where what I posted was in error? Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #395

Please show us that in your op. wyldwolf Mar 2020 #398

Well you are free to show where my OP is factually incorrect Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #400

I am comfortable with whoever Joe selects Gothmog Mar 2020 #292

Kennedy picked LBJ, Reagan picked George H.W. Bush hlthe2b Mar 2020 #368

Very true Dem4Life1102 Mar 2020 #372