Democratic Primaries

Eliot Rosewater

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191. Because of ACA the "status quo" is FAR better than what once was.

Sat Mar 28, 2020, 04:17 PM

Mar 2020

This debate NOW makes zero sense.

I only responded because I truly fear some of his supporters WONT vote in November if he is not the nominee.

And more of us WILL DIE if rump somehow stays in power.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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This Teen Died of COVID because of no Medicare for All [View all] wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 OP

Voters decided ACA was better per primary results so far jimfields33 Mar 2020 #1

Poll after poll said dem primary voters prefer M4A wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #12

Ugh!!! jimfields33 Mar 2020 #22

No they don't. Poll after poll said Democratic primary voters want a form of universal health care.. George II Mar 2020 #31

I'll give you an entire link wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #72

None of the first several results don't say the preference is "Medicare for All"... George II Mar 2020 #73

Semantics games. Perfect. wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #77

Lots of difference. Do you know how the current Medicare plan works and how it's implemented? George II Mar 2020 #78

Medicare for all is a model for delivery of a government-run plan. lapucelle Mar 2020 #176

Your own link says "Most Mississippi Democrats support 'Medicare for All'" wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #79

Then the article goes on to say: George II Mar 2020 #82

Yet NBC is able to read between the lines and report likewise wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #86

Because there is none. "Medicare for all" (TM) is most likely not what they were asked.... George II Mar 2020 #89

The article states he was denied healthcare because he had no insurance. ChiTownDenny Mar 2020 #47

at 17 he couldn't buy insurance anyways questionseverything Mar 2020 #136

Indeed ck4829 Mar 2020 #175

How Many Like This Teen Will Die Because Bernie Helps Trump Win? TomCADem Mar 2020 #51

But .. but .... Italy is different NCProgressive Mar 2020 #74

Yes and love a glass of Wine! sheshe2 Mar 2020 #81

Politico: Trump's mismanagement helped fuel coronavirus crisis TomCADem Mar 2020 #91

??? Italy has the second best healthcare in the world wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #108

So, Italy Has Single Payer, But Escalating Covid19 Deaths... TomCADem Mar 2020 #112

Italy has a great healthcare system wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #148

Italy like other state systems has a shortage of nurses and doctors. ACA ruled that children under emmaverybo Mar 2020 #134

aca allows children to stay on their parents policy until they are 26 questionseverything Mar 2020 #138

No.It doesn't. Much needs fixing. More regulation private insurance. Restore ACA and Lower premiums emmaverybo Mar 2020 #142

fixing it from every angle works for me but in the long run questionseverything Mar 2020 #143

Agree. Will take time. emmaverybo Mar 2020 #157

Italy has the 2ND best hc system in the world mcar Mar 2020 #121

M4A might or might not have made a difference. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #2

I know. But numbers seem smaller in those countries jimfields33 Mar 2020 #4

Many other countries don't have leaders and governments that suck. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #23

That's not why he died. Sadly hundreds of people have died and they DID have Medicare. In fact.... George II Mar 2020 #3

And by some people's logic here wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #149

No. Blue_true Mar 2020 #160

If he had presented at an emergency room, he would have received care bluedye33139 Mar 2020 #5

Will an emergency room take you in if you're coughing? wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #8

EMTALA governs emergency rooms and forbids refusal of service bluedye33139 Mar 2020 #14

An emergency would have treated him. In fact, patients are being treated in emergency rooms.... George II Mar 2020 #32

Yes, let's strain our emergency rooms even more! wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #39

No it isn't. It isn't even a "debate", it's pointing out the fallacy of your OP subject line. George II Mar 2020 #49

Clearly the solution was for him to sit in the ER lobby coughing until he coded. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #33

Have you ever worked in an Emergency Room? What you say wouldn't have happened. George II Mar 2020 #50

(It was sarcasm.) AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #56

The options were an urgent care that required insurance or an ER bluedye33139 Mar 2020 #68

all the emergency room has to do by law is stabilize, right? questionseverything Mar 2020 #140

he may have waited too long to go, although from what I am reading, this stuff escalates yellowdogintexas Mar 2020 #69

He was 17, a minor Butterflylady Mar 2020 #88

Yes they will, ERs don't discriminate whatsoever. You need to spend some time researching this stuff George II Mar 2020 #120

With an agenda to push, research falls by the wayside. nt Blue_true Mar 2020 #162

Of course it would mcar Mar 2020 #122

Your post seems to completely trash your claim. Blue_true Mar 2020 #161

It is a heartbreaking tragedy being used in a most despicable political way. William769 Mar 2020 #21

I admire the enthusiasm of M4A supporters bluedye33139 Mar 2020 #29

Medicaid for All Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #41

what state are you in? questionseverything Mar 2020 #141

New Mexico. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #144

yes thats way dif than just medicaid questionseverything Mar 2020 #146

i dont think at 17 he could apply for his own medicaid? questionseverything Mar 2020 #139

we cant say he died because of no MFA..... samnsara Mar 2020 #6

Oh, FFS. Stop it. That is false. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #7

What part of "turned away because of no insurance" do you not understand? wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #10

You said "because of no Medicare for All", not "no insurance"! George II Mar 2020 #19

The reason for no insurance could be failure to apply for medicaid showblue22 Mar 2020 #26

What part of "what are you doing at an urgent care" Kerrycrat Mar 2020 #27

Yes, people always know precisely how far away death's door is. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #37

He had a heart attack on his way to the next stop Kerrycrat Mar 2020 #52

I will certainly conceed that he may have died regardless. AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #57

Fair enough Kerrycrat Mar 2020 #62

"turned away because of no insurance" TwilightZone Mar 2020 #28

Posts can be false in many ways FBaggins Mar 2020 #159

Drivel nt DURHAM D Mar 2020 #9

Very sad; however, I'm not sure why this teen wasn't at least covered by California Medicaid. Hoyt Mar 2020 #11

These are the people who fall through the cracks wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #13

Not really. California expanded Medicaid under ACA. And even before, they covered almost any kid of Hoyt Mar 2020 #16

Then why was he turned away? wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #25

It could be that the Urgent Care center told them he needed to go straight to ER. They don't Hoyt Mar 2020 #45

Read the story first wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #46

I read the story and several updates since that story. Urgent Care centers aren't going to take a Hoyt Mar 2020 #53

Most Urgent care facilities are privately owned showblue22 Mar 2020 #60

Exactly. nt Blue_true Mar 2020 #166

Good point, anyone who has gone to urgent care would know Blue_true Mar 2020 #165

The person at the front door certainly didn't say "You don't have m4a, you can't come in!!!".... George II Mar 2020 #48

He didn't have insurance wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #150

He didn't have Medicaid, Blue Cross, etc. Remember, "medicare for all" isn't available to ANYONE! George II Mar 2020 #178

10 million of 350 million people showblue22 Mar 2020 #17

"10 million people are expendable" wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #24

Bernie's plan helps ZERO people. showblue22 Mar 2020 #30

When do you stop saying 'coalition' as if you and people like you are inclusive of the AtheistCrusader Mar 2020 #40

I don't know what you mean. showblue22 Mar 2020 #55

The same repukes would deny Biden's plan too wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #42

So Why bother having posted this? You've come full circle..so just stop it! It's not helpful Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #92

No, they aren't expendable Hav Mar 2020 #38

Not true. He qualified for the ACA, and Biden's plan would expand on the ACA. Please stop.... George II Mar 2020 #36

"Access" versus "Actual Coverage" wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #61

BS. Blue_true Mar 2020 #163

Why is the source of the article hidden? showblue22 Mar 2020 #15

Here's a government link to info Kerrycrat Mar 2020 #35

Could you please provide a link to where Biden's own healthcare plan pnwmom Mar 2020 #18

The urgent care in my city... Kerrycrat Mar 2020 #20

Then tell the Mayor he's lying wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #76

He's not lying Kerrycrat Mar 2020 #100

Quick care centers are not equipped to deal with what is described here mcar Mar 2020 #123

Just saw a news program where a COVID patient wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #99

Whatever Kerrycrat Mar 2020 #102

Many cases do not get treated at an urgent care. emmaverybo Mar 2020 #34

I believe the kid's condition was minor back then wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #44

England's ER's are often closed and when open often over run. That is without corona emmaverybo Mar 2020 #54

Yet, sheshe2 Mar 2020 #80

Now I doubt if his condition was minor wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #85

So, he still could have gone to the ER after urgent care. Blue_true Mar 2020 #167

He went to a nearby urgent care clinic wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #168

Your post that I responded to implied differently on the timing, Blue_true Mar 2020 #181

Glad to see any perceived inconsistencies wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #182

IMO, your inconsistencies are happening because you are pushing an agenda, facts be damned. Blue_true Mar 2020 #184

The original report stated that the kid was denied care wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #188

What is it you don't get after being told repeatedly that storefront Blue_true Mar 2020 #190

And I already told you many urgent care places do accept patients wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #192

I will let you post stand on it's own. People just need to read it to see Blue_true Mar 2020 #194

I didn't mischaracterize it. I was right. wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #197

The article says there were several days between his visit to urgent care Blue_true Mar 2020 #200

I don't know why you are so invested in explaining away this tragedy wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #201

Fact matter. You are pushing an agenda that facts don't support. nt Blue_true Mar 2020 #202

Hippocratic oath gibraltar72 Mar 2020 #43

This is not a truthful post! He was obviously too sick to be treated at an urgent care Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #58

Agreed. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #63

"You have a single-payer system in Italy--it doesn't work there" wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #101

What are those countries BS mentions all the time? sheshe2 Mar 2020 #107

Yes, having hospitals is not enough for this disease wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #109

Me and "my type"? sheshe2 Mar 2020 #113

Oh no! We've been uncovered as the wealthy elites we are. betsuni Mar 2020 #145

I will be there! sheshe2 Mar 2020 #147

We're Dem(d) Republicans. Sanders has been Hortensis Mar 2020 #172

So you can't say who those countries are that Sanders is always speaking of, can you? And... George II Mar 2020 #117

Again I ask you to explain your comment. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #119

... George II Mar 2020 #124

Thank you. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #129

"You and your type?" mcar Mar 2020 #125

No answer. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #130

We are Democrats, she mcar Mar 2020 #132

I watched. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #133

Note to all: It's going to be rerun at midnight tonight for anyone who missed it or cares. George II Mar 2020 #135

Thanks George! mcar Mar 2020 #137

DUers have types? NCProgressive Mar 2020 #131

Yes, there are different types of Democrats wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #151

"Types" is a divisive term NCProgressive Mar 2020 #152

No, people will still be offended wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #169

I have a question, if Bernie was elected prez this November, and if he is the nominee Eliot Rosewater Mar 2020 #180

Honestly, probably a while wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #183

By a while almost certainly not in his lifetime. I am a FAR left democratic socialist... Eliot Rosewater Mar 2020 #185

I don't embrace defeatism wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #186

Status quo? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr Eliot Rosewater Mar 2020 #187

The status quo made people pay for their COVID tests and care wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #189

Because of ACA the "status quo" is FAR better than what once was. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2020 #191

Making people pay for their covid testing and treatment makes zero sense wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #193

What is more important right now Eliot Rosewater Mar 2020 #195

I can walk and chew gum at the same time wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #196

That is MADNESS what you just said, I GIVE UP, I QUIT Eliot Rosewater Mar 2020 #198

That trump is killing us is a given fact wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #199

Insurance or not, urgent care is not equipped to treat COVID-19 IronLionZion Mar 2020 #59

That was my point too. Kerrycrat Mar 2020 #66

Agreed, this is a problem of misinformation IronLionZion Mar 2020 #67

Here's an account where a person WITH insurance wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #153

"My primary doctor urged my wife to take me to the E.R., which she did." IronLionZion Mar 2020 #177

Just watch this segment on Nightly News where a COVID patient wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #103

Good luck with that IronLionZion Mar 2020 #110

Link? sheshe2 Mar 2020 #114

Different Urgent Care facilities have different policies. And those policies have changed.... George II Mar 2020 #118

He's also talking about something that happened once mcar Mar 2020 #128

Not all urgent care centers are created equal. Jedi Guy Mar 2020 #170

When did "health insurance" and "Medicare for all" become synonimous? beastie boy Mar 2020 #64

+1000 sheshe2 Mar 2020 #115

Bernie????????????? sheshe2 Mar 2020 #164

I can't imagine anything worse than M4A at this moment in history .... relayerbob Mar 2020 #65

+1,000,000 Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #70

Specious argument wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #71

It is. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #116

I'm betting there's more story to be told. tirebiter Mar 2020 #75

He died because of the republican health plan. Get sick and die. They are the ones wanting ... SWBTATTReg Mar 2020 #83

If he was 17 he's still on his parents policy. blueinredohio Mar 2020 #84

That "if" is doing a lot of work there wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #97

Just sayin how did they know for sure? blueinredohio Mar 2020 #111

Biden did not say that...he said a public option with subsidies will lead to universal coverage... Demsrule86 Mar 2020 #87

And neither will the public option wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #98

Conflating Universal Care, single payer and MFA, and you wonder why people grantcart Mar 2020 #90

Seriously, what? wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #154

Why Didn't This 17 Year Old Kid Have Insurance under CHIP Which is Free OR Obamacare Expansion Indykatie Mar 2020 #93

Obamacare doesn't cover undocumented immigrants wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #96

Build on what we have. A reach for the moon will slide us to ZERO. oasis Mar 2020 #94

Public option is also a moonshot for repukes wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #104

We can stand pat until we're better positioned. nt oasis Mar 2020 #126

Better keep the powder dry wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #155

The difference is Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #127

And who are responsible for voting those Dems in? wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #156

That's about as craven as it gets. ucrdem Mar 2020 #95

"You have a single-payer system in Italy--it doesn't work there" wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #105

If we want to be the greatest country in the world this cannot happen. Tribetime Mar 2020 #106

Gizmodo? RandySF Mar 2020 #158

There's a video wellst0nev0ter Mar 2020 #171

Dem voters are practical and not magical thinkers Sunsky Mar 2020 #173

"World's Greatest Healthcare System" unavailable for comment ck4829 Mar 2020 #174

Horseshit! Jose Garcia Mar 2020 #179