Democratic Primaries

thesquanderer

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22. Okay, then just look at this point in history.

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 05:17 PM

Mar 2020

from https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/sanders-voters-helped-trump-win-white-house-could-they-do-n1145306

15 percent of Sanders voters said they weren't committed to voting for the Democratic nominee, regardless of who it was, compared to 10 percent of Biden voters who said the same.

The point is, nobody should expect to get 100% of someone else's voters just because they were from the same party's primary or share a common adversary. It doesn't happen. Not in 2008, not today, no matter who the candidate is. Even if it's Biden, who still could lose as much as 10% according to that poll.

But to the extent that we had a lot of open primaries (with no competitive race on the other side) and Sanders has always claimed to be able to persuade many potential Trump voters, it's not surprising that he would yield more defections than Biden would. Though it's not like those numbers are worlds apart. Which again, may indicate that Sanders is not as effective at pulling in potential Trump voters as he'd claimed. Which is what surprised me about your response, considering that what I'm saying may defend Sanders, but is also critical, because those same numbers can support either perspective.

I know, you're done here. But maybe someone else following the conversation will find it interesting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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15% of Sanders supporters in ABC/WaPo poll say they will be voting for tRump [View all] ffr Mar 2020 OP

Tragic.. that's what they think of our country and Planet. Cha Mar 2020 #1

It is, Cha. Thank you! ffr Mar 2020 #4

At least that many 2008 Hillary primary voters voted for McCain over Obama. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #13

That means Absolutely Nothing At this Point in History with Cha Mar 2020 #16

Okay, then just look at this point in history. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #22

Meaningless mcar Mar 2020 #38

Yes, we can talk about now. In fact, I did... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #39

That's from March 8 mcar Mar 2020 #40

His campaign has always been more useful to Trump, then 2016, jrthin Mar 2020 #14

ExFreakingZactly. Cha Mar 2020 #17

He is even more useful to Trump than Putin. Doodley Mar 2020 #2

This says almost everything about BS DonaldsRump Mar 2020 #3

Not Surprised In The Least Me. Mar 2020 #5

At least it's lower than 2016. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #6

Not surprised. MontanaMama Mar 2020 #7

Well, at least that rate is better than November 2016. Hoyt Mar 2020 #8

A lot of Bernie supporters arent Democrats. padfun Mar 2020 #9

Those are the Sanders supporters who openly say that, I'm sure the real number is higher. George II Mar 2020 #10

10% of Sanders "supporters" would have probably voted for Trump if Sanders had won the nomination Freethinker65 Mar 2020 #11

I've never heard Sanders tell them not to do such a thing. And I bet I never will. Squinch Mar 2020 #12

Any "Bernie Supporter" who votes for Trump... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #15

I can believe it treestar Mar 2020 #18

Doubt they were ever supporters of Sanders. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #19

well, 30% of Dems are for Sanders relayerbob Mar 2020 #20

Maybe even less than that, bob BidenBacker Mar 2020 #27

Exactly. On the other side, there will be a lot more than that of OnDoutside Mar 2020 #28

Precisely, Watson BidenBacker Mar 2020 #31

I agree, that was more or less an upper bound on the number relayerbob Mar 2020 #30

Bitter..Many if them are not democrats anyway. Many are similar to the angry helpisontheway Mar 2020 #21

I believe it. It reflects my experience with a certain subset of BS supporters Blasphemer Mar 2020 #23

Yep I believe that.. Peacetrain Mar 2020 #24

What You Lose in Bernie/Trump Supporters, You Gain In Never Trumpers TomCADem Mar 2020 #25

Thanks for the bit of rationality, Cha! I stand by Biden. UncleNoel Mar 2020 #26

they were never sander's supporters beachbumbob Mar 2020 #29

They can vote however they want, though this would be rather stupid lettucebe Mar 2020 #32

This, Sir, Is What 'Bernie' Fancies Is His Leverage For Blackmail The Magistrate Mar 2020 #33

Deeply Disappointing BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #34

I'm sure DU Sanders supporters wouldn't vote for Trump. MineralMan Mar 2020 #35

It Also Puts to Lie The Myth That Biden Has To Work Hard to Bring Bernie's Supporters On Board Indykatie Mar 2020 #36

Can a Sanders supporter explain this? mcar Mar 2020 #37

probably a bit higher than 15% - some "Bernie Bro" active trolls stepped up disinformation campaign LVZ Mar 2020 #41

I don't buy it. I think that poll is full of shit rockfordfile Mar 2020 #42

The numbers seem to align with polled and actual election results ffr Mar 2020 #43

It's often hard to believe things that go against our belief system. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #44

What? rockfordfile Mar 2020 #45

There are no words qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #46