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TomCADem

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25. What You Lose in Bernie/Trump Supporters, You Gain In Never Trumpers

Sun Mar 29, 2020, 05:28 PM

Mar 2020

I know some Bernie supporters have pointed to quotes from folks how said that if Bernie is not the nominee, they would vote for Trump. I disagree with that and even though I think that Bernie has many Trump-like characteristics, and would be ineffective as a President, I think he is better than Trump.

That being said, while there are maybe 15 percent of Bernie supporters who would vote for Trump, there are definitely a lot of folks who would vote for any Democratic nominee, except for Bernie. For example, David Brooks, a never Trumper, had previously said that he would even vote for Warren over Trump. However, when it came to Bernie, he said he would not trade a left wing authoritarian populist over a right wing authoritarian populist.

This is why Biden does better in match-ups with Trump. He gets more cross over voters who might not like either Bernie or Trump.

https://www.registerguard.com/opinion/20200302/david-brooks-no-not-sanders-not-ever

A few months ago, I wrote a column saying I would vote for Elizabeth Warren over Donald Trump. I may not agree with some of her policies, but culture is more important than politics. She does not spread moral rot the way Trump does.

Now I have to decide if I’d support Bernie Sanders over Trump.

We all start from personal experience. I covered the Soviet Union in its final decrepit years. The Soviet and allied regimes had already slaughtered 20 million people through things like mass executions and intentional famines. Those regimes were slave states. They enslaved whole peoples and took away the right to say what they wanted, live where they wanted and harvest the fruits of their labor.

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I’ll cast my lot with democratic liberalism. The system needs reform. But I just can’t pull the lever for either of the two populisms threatening to tear it down.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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15% of Sanders supporters in ABC/WaPo poll say they will be voting for tRump [View all] ffr Mar 2020 OP

Tragic.. that's what they think of our country and Planet. Cha Mar 2020 #1

It is, Cha. Thank you! ffr Mar 2020 #4

At least that many 2008 Hillary primary voters voted for McCain over Obama. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #13

That means Absolutely Nothing At this Point in History with Cha Mar 2020 #16

Okay, then just look at this point in history. thesquanderer Mar 2020 #22

Meaningless mcar Mar 2020 #38

Yes, we can talk about now. In fact, I did... thesquanderer Mar 2020 #39

That's from March 8 mcar Mar 2020 #40

His campaign has always been more useful to Trump, then 2016, jrthin Mar 2020 #14

ExFreakingZactly. Cha Mar 2020 #17

He is even more useful to Trump than Putin. Doodley Mar 2020 #2

This says almost everything about BS DonaldsRump Mar 2020 #3

Not Surprised In The Least Me. Mar 2020 #5

At least it's lower than 2016. Turin_C3PO Mar 2020 #6

Not surprised. MontanaMama Mar 2020 #7

Well, at least that rate is better than November 2016. Hoyt Mar 2020 #8

A lot of Bernie supporters arent Democrats. padfun Mar 2020 #9

Those are the Sanders supporters who openly say that, I'm sure the real number is higher. George II Mar 2020 #10

10% of Sanders "supporters" would have probably voted for Trump if Sanders had won the nomination Freethinker65 Mar 2020 #11

I've never heard Sanders tell them not to do such a thing. And I bet I never will. Squinch Mar 2020 #12

Any "Bernie Supporter" who votes for Trump... Happy Hoosier Mar 2020 #15

I can believe it treestar Mar 2020 #18

Doubt they were ever supporters of Sanders. LiberalFighter Mar 2020 #19

well, 30% of Dems are for Sanders relayerbob Mar 2020 #20

Maybe even less than that, bob BidenBacker Mar 2020 #27

Exactly. On the other side, there will be a lot more than that of OnDoutside Mar 2020 #28

Precisely, Watson BidenBacker Mar 2020 #31

I agree, that was more or less an upper bound on the number relayerbob Mar 2020 #30

Bitter..Many if them are not democrats anyway. Many are similar to the angry helpisontheway Mar 2020 #21

I believe it. It reflects my experience with a certain subset of BS supporters Blasphemer Mar 2020 #23

Yep I believe that.. Peacetrain Mar 2020 #24

What You Lose in Bernie/Trump Supporters, You Gain In Never Trumpers TomCADem Mar 2020 #25

Thanks for the bit of rationality, Cha! I stand by Biden. UncleNoel Mar 2020 #26

they were never sander's supporters beachbumbob Mar 2020 #29

They can vote however they want, though this would be rather stupid lettucebe Mar 2020 #32

This, Sir, Is What 'Bernie' Fancies Is His Leverage For Blackmail The Magistrate Mar 2020 #33

Deeply Disappointing BlueIdaho Mar 2020 #34

I'm sure DU Sanders supporters wouldn't vote for Trump. MineralMan Mar 2020 #35

It Also Puts to Lie The Myth That Biden Has To Work Hard to Bring Bernie's Supporters On Board Indykatie Mar 2020 #36

Can a Sanders supporter explain this? mcar Mar 2020 #37

probably a bit higher than 15% - some "Bernie Bro" active trolls stepped up disinformation campaign LVZ Mar 2020 #41

I don't buy it. I think that poll is full of shit rockfordfile Mar 2020 #42

The numbers seem to align with polled and actual election results ffr Mar 2020 #43

It's often hard to believe things that go against our belief system. NurseJackie Mar 2020 #44

What? rockfordfile Mar 2020 #45

There are no words qwlauren35 Mar 2020 #46