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Showing Original Post only (View all)The benefit of the Democrats denouncing Sanders's selfishness [View all]
I am tired of sanders and his supporters demanding that we bend a knee and anoint sanders as the nominee. It may be better to simply give up on the 15% who will not vote for any real Democrat and move on
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If you are in the search for silver linings, one benefit of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) pointlessly continuing his losing campaign is the freedom for Democrats to denounce him and his anti-party escapades. After years of humoring him, the vast majority of Democrats, from super-progressives to moderates, can now say out loud what theyve said quietly: It has always been about Bernie. Its not a movement, but rather a vanity project. ....
The problem, according to many Democrats, remains that 15 percent of Sanders supporters say in polling that they would vote for President Trump over Biden. This nugget actually makes the opposite argument: There is nothing that would satisfy some faction of the Sanders coalition that would rather blow up our democracy and reelect Trump. With people so irrational, the best response is to ignore them. They, like the MAGA-hat crowd, are unreachable and cannot be bargained with (e.g., more New Green Deal talk!). So do not try. No more outreach to Sanders, no more promised policy modifications, no more speaking slot at the convention. Enough
This would have some salutary effects.
First, it would make perfectly clear that Biden is not Sanders and not a crazy left-winger, as Trump would like to paint him in the campaign. Biden makes a sharp distinction between the democratic socialist crowd and his own brand of center-left politics. Since he cannot get the 15 percent of Bernie or Bust Democrats (or independents), he might as well make a strong play for moderate independents and disaffected Republicans. Cutting Sanders off effectively allows Biden to pitch to gettable swing voters, not waste time on unattainable Bernie Bros.
Second, freezing out Sanders will make governance in a Biden administration much easier and more cohesive. There will be no debt to be paid to Sanders, no advisers taken on to satisfy Sanders, and no weird and distracting policy initiatives to lead the new administration astray. This would be a center-left administration confident of its own governing agenda and personally cohesive.
Third, it would free up constructive, smart progressive leaders such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) to lead that wing of the party. She has already begun that process, contributing bankruptcy and student loan forgiveness plans to the Biden campaign. With a practical, crafty progressive in the Senate (hopefully in the majority and able to lead on legislation), Biden would be able to broaden his appeal and cultivate allies in the Warren wing of the party.
In other words, shoving Sanders offstage opens up room for party builders and party reformers, putting aside unattainable proposals (e.g., Medicare-for-all) in favor of a smarter, more broadly acceptable agenda. (Biden would not need to fend off a Warren primary challenge, as Barack Obama did with Sanders in 2012.)
The problem, according to many Democrats, remains that 15 percent of Sanders supporters say in polling that they would vote for President Trump over Biden. This nugget actually makes the opposite argument: There is nothing that would satisfy some faction of the Sanders coalition that would rather blow up our democracy and reelect Trump. With people so irrational, the best response is to ignore them. They, like the MAGA-hat crowd, are unreachable and cannot be bargained with (e.g., more New Green Deal talk!). So do not try. No more outreach to Sanders, no more promised policy modifications, no more speaking slot at the convention. Enough
This would have some salutary effects.
First, it would make perfectly clear that Biden is not Sanders and not a crazy left-winger, as Trump would like to paint him in the campaign. Biden makes a sharp distinction between the democratic socialist crowd and his own brand of center-left politics. Since he cannot get the 15 percent of Bernie or Bust Democrats (or independents), he might as well make a strong play for moderate independents and disaffected Republicans. Cutting Sanders off effectively allows Biden to pitch to gettable swing voters, not waste time on unattainable Bernie Bros.
Second, freezing out Sanders will make governance in a Biden administration much easier and more cohesive. There will be no debt to be paid to Sanders, no advisers taken on to satisfy Sanders, and no weird and distracting policy initiatives to lead the new administration astray. This would be a center-left administration confident of its own governing agenda and personally cohesive.
Third, it would free up constructive, smart progressive leaders such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) to lead that wing of the party. She has already begun that process, contributing bankruptcy and student loan forgiveness plans to the Biden campaign. With a practical, crafty progressive in the Senate (hopefully in the majority and able to lead on legislation), Biden would be able to broaden his appeal and cultivate allies in the Warren wing of the party.
In other words, shoving Sanders offstage opens up room for party builders and party reformers, putting aside unattainable proposals (e.g., Medicare-for-all) in favor of a smarter, more broadly acceptable agenda. (Biden would not need to fend off a Warren primary challenge, as Barack Obama did with Sanders in 2012.)
The party is never going to make the 15% to 25% of sanders supporters happy. 25% of sanders supporters either voted for trump, voted for a third party candidate like Stein or stayed home
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I am tired of trying to appease sanders supporters who are not going to be happy and there are real benefits in moving on and ignoring these voters.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Beautiful song. Perfect for the occasion. Thank you. I thoroughly enjoyed. And with all due
emmaverybo
Apr 2020
#230
Bernie himself could do a lot towards getting his followers to vote for our nominee
Thekaspervote
Apr 2020
#8
I really was speaking more about those that support sanders, but not the cultish group
Thekaspervote
Apr 2020
#13
No ...haven't mis read, but there are many polls that show up to 50+% of sanders voters say they
Thekaspervote
Apr 2020
#44
Bored with Bernie fantasies that are still bleeding us while Dems have real work to do, that's all.
Hekate
Apr 2020
#219
At least some of the vote for sanders in early states were GOP Operation Chaos vote
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#26
What Divides The Left, Sir, Is Sanders' Jihad Against The 'Democratic Establishment'
The Magistrate
Apr 2020
#55
Your posts remind me of the teachers who used to say "ignore the bullies and they'll go away"
kcr
Apr 2020
#127
As someone who doesn't list Biden as their choice, how have I bullied you? Please be specific.
Gore1FL
Apr 2020
#132
I Am, Sir, But A Helpless Slave To 'That Cheerful And Roguish Vice, Politeness'
The Magistrate
Apr 2020
#88
When Was This Golden Era, Sir, When The Left Dominated The Democratic Party?
The Magistrate
Apr 2020
#71
Or I could just add you to the short hide list I've compiled in almost two decades here.
Gore1FL
Apr 2020
#78
How does pushing bogus rape accusations and booing Hillary Clinton and John Lewis unite the party?
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#94
The only thing that will make the sanders supporters happy is if the party bend a knee to sanders
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#116
It's not the topic I was discussing. I was discussing the political benefits of respect.
Gore1FL
Apr 2020
#176
Read the OP-it is a waste of time to try to appease sanders supporters who want to vote for trump
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#186
How do you win the vote of racist white sanders supporters who hate President Obama?
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#190
If Sanders is the nominee, trump will win 45+ states and Kevin McCarthy will be speaker
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#196
How do you appease or win the vote of racist white sanders supporters who hate President Obama
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#202
Donald Trump is the only real winner if Bernie Sanders remains in the Democratic primary
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#95
Read post 117-Trying to appease the sanders voters who voted for trump is a waste of time
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#120
If any member of DU voted for trump in 2016 or voted for Stein, then they need to find another home
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#142
So you are suggesting we all live by that standard or should we set a better more inclusive one?
Gore1FL
Apr 2020
#113
The only way to appease the 25% is to bend the knee and anoint sanders as nominee
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#134
I am still waiting for an explanation of how one wins the vote of racists who hate President Obama
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#217
Who even knows if they're really Sanders supporters or, for that matter, would vote for Sanders....
George II
Apr 2020
#121
Russia and Putin have been busy supporting sanders and trump supporters want to run against sanders
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#214
Why did Bernie Sanders drop out? The progressive majority he needed doesn't exist
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#225
I was originally a Bernie fan but when Hillary got the nomination i changed my support to her.
kimbutgar
Apr 2020
#177
Biden gets the official support of the NeverTrumpwe GOP group that runs all those devastating ads
Gothmog
Apr 2020
#222